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[95.210.220.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q9sm47235532wiz.23.2015.07.06.06.17.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559A7FCA.4010801@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:16:58 +0200 From: Ilmen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Text for a piece of music References: <4502e6dd-3a5d-4596-a637-cdc07030d678@googlegroups.com> <1844540.PG0NdlNGt2@caracal> <7b1aeda5-e46c-4f50-9ee6-c5fc58768d62@googlegroups.com> <1516537.7dOU9lx3EX@caracal> <3a642760-e3e8-445d-a4b4-ce8aec56ac85@googlegroups.com> <55953442.8050709@gmail.com> <85a4ad84-61dc-4089-967e-9e1f29dc93b3@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <85a4ad84-61dc-4089-967e-9e1f29dc93b3@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000201060707090204080901" X-Original-Sender: ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000201060707090204080901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 02/07/2015 21:14, Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote: > On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 2:53:34 PM UTC+2, Ilmen wrote: > > I would say {lo ro cipni cu dunsi'u lo ka sanga}, here. I don't > think {ro loi cipni cu simxu...} is correct here, because this > {ro} makes it distributive, whereas {simxu} expects a plurality of > individuals. > > What is the difference between dunsi'u and mitsi'u? You are right, > they should be treated as individuals. It fits better with the context > as well. In my understanding: {dunsi'u} = "x1 (plural) are mutually equal in what they are in relation x2 with". For example, {mi'o dunsi'u lo ka (ce'u) nelci (ce'u/makau)} = "We (you+me) like the same things", "We are equal in what we like". As for {mitsi'u}, it sounds like "everything among x1 is the same thing/individual", "x1 (plural) are one individual", or something like that. But I think other people would disagree with this interpretation. mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On 02/07/2015 21:14, Erik Natanael Gustafsson wrote:
On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 2:53:34 PM UTC+2, Ilmen wrote:
I would say {lo ro cipni cu dunsi'u lo ka sanga}, here. I don't think {ro loi cipni cu simxu...} is correct here, because this {ro} makes it distributive, whereas {simxu} expects a plurality of individuals.
What is the difference between dunsi'u and mitsi'u? You are right, they should be treated as individuals. It fits better with the context as well.

In my understanding:
{dunsi'u} = "x1 (plural) are mutually equal in what they are in relation x2 with".
For example, {mi'o dunsi'u lo ka (ce'u) nelci (ce'u/makau)} = "We (you+me) like the same things", "We are equal in what we like".

As for {mitsi'u}, it sounds like "everything among x1 is the same thing/individual", "x1 (plural) are one individual", or something like that. But I think other people would disagree with this interpretation.

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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