Received: from mail-ie0-f183.google.com ([209.85.223.183]:34457) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZE6Kg-0004YS-Mm for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:45:38 -0700 Received: by iesj1 with SMTP id j1sf23862801ies.1 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:45:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=7A6cxloQdxMXR30pHvXWTosjcaVgmT0GYWu9rc3bpwA=; b=U7sB+bZrCILB6jL9wSGoSk7QY36KK4XOkN6SocnqU8sWoZ4nEz7WXqMnNcZEIL9bei g+bvf4KTwTYLL78YirKRIj8glk2xsS9vwLG2qaIYYKu1IBM0EUNq5d721C1Va9372Y4N ncXLlmVKV1owOu2GrRw172ZqgkS+Z0D0qrJeNOMANINYOUdkQ8lJj41bxFtS9AegKtri 608H66Lz5mcQIlS3aIWLHHnd3zHTDiTOizyTPe8PeWMMJ+20FTEFpQmows8PwWT4gNhA +D3UKmE9fGGujTnhopIuJG89mn8z+7NcQ0TnNnLypvM1nDfy1L2wzn0wRg/c7SvpPJxq rWaA== X-Received: by 10.140.18.194 with SMTP id 60mr427757qgf.12.1436665524934; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.94.70 with SMTP id f64ls5967428qge.86.gmail; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.33.76 with SMTP id i70mr404771qgi.14.1436665523995; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Beltran To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <0e6ef83b-e998-42a2-8e36-2a7dd87348b5@googlegroups.com> Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtsb2piYW4tYmVnaW5uZXJzXSBEaWZmZXJlbmVzIGJldHdlZW4g4oCca2HigJ0gYQ==?= =?UTF-8?B?bmQg4oCcbnXigJ0=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3609_1418453235.1436665523239" X-Original-Sender: leobeltran@mail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- ------=_Part_3609_1418453235.1436665523239 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3610_1148033866.1436665523240" ------=_Part_3610_1148033866.1436665523240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can see the differences now ^_^ El s=C3=A1bado, 11 de julio de 2015, 16:20:58 (UTC-3), la gleki escribi=C3= =B3: > > Very often {ka} is translated using infinitives in English: > > 1. {mi gleki lo ka tavla do} =3D I am glad to talk to you. > > Compare: > 2. {mi gleki lo nu tavla do} =3D I am glad that someone is talking to you= =20 > (maybe that I talk to you but that isn't asserted). > > We can rephrase the first example: > > 3. {mi gleki lo nu mi tavla do} =3D I am glad that I talk to you. > > Obviously, the first and the third examples are almost the same in meanin= g. > > 2015-07-08 20:42 GMT+03:00 Leo Beltran >: > >> I=E2=80=99m now trying to learn abstractions (not as easy as I thought) = an I=20 >> can=E2=80=99t see the differences between =E2=80=9Cmi gleki lo nu tavla = do=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cmi gleki=20 >> lo ka tavla do.=E2=80=9D For me they are the same. Do you agree? >> =20 >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to lojban-beginne...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-b...@googlegroups.com=20 >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_3610_1148033866.1436665523240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can see the differences now ^_^

El s=C3=A1bado, 1= 1 de julio de 2015, 16:20:58 (UTC-3), la gleki escribi=C3=B3:
Very often {ka} is translat= ed using infinitives in English:

1. {mi gleki lo ka tavl= a do} =3D I am glad to talk to you.

Compare:
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2. {mi gleki lo nu tavla do} =3D I am glad that someone is talking to = you (maybe that I talk to you but that isn't asserted).

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We can rephrase the first example:

3. {m= i gleki lo nu mi tavla do} =3D I am glad that I talk to you.

=
Obviously, the first and the third examples are almost the same = in meaning.

2015-07-08 20:42= GMT+03:00 Leo Beltran <leobe...@mail.com>:

I=E2=80=99m no= w trying to learn abstractions (not as easy as I thought) an I can=E2=80=99t see the differences between =E2=80=9Cmi gleki lo nu tavla do=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9Cmi gleki lo ka tavla do.=E2=80=9D For me they are the same. Do you agree?

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