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[2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b76si481885ywe.1.2015.07.15.07.58.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231; Received: by mail-qk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id l188so29868573qkc.1 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:58:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.31.194 with SMTP id f60mr8956741qgf.23.1436972318522; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.42.18 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:58:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55A55528.8040205@gmx.de> <14541783.ZQO98TLq8Q@caracal> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:58:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say to make sth better? From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113a7ad4990502051aeb30a9 X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- --001a113a7ad4990502051aeb30a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The main causation words are {rinka},{mukti},{krinu}, and {nibli}. In your example you would want {mukti}: A: .i ma mukti lo nu do co'e B: .i tu'a do All four of these have short tags: {ri'a},{mu'i},{ki'u}, and {ni'i}. So you can shorten the above to: A: .i mu'i ma do co'e B: .i tu'a do with no loss. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Mustafa =C4=B0pekbayrak < mustafaipekbayrak@gmail.com> wrote: > I could not find any of why and for usage.My bad. > > Here is my example sentences in English. > -why did you do that? > -I did it for you. > > I think 'krinu' is the word to give an answer. > > On 15 July 2015 at 13:19, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 13:06:39 Mustafa =C4=B0pekbayrak wrote: >> > Thank you very very much sir. I was think as I got the idea but I see >> that >> > I was not after to read your information. Thank you so much for your >> time. >> > Can I ask one more thing? I could not found any example about asking >> "why" >> > and answering with "for". How can we do that? >> > Thank you. >> >> There are at least four ways to say "why" in Lojban, and there are sever= al >> meanings of "for". 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The main causation words are= {rinka},{mukti},{krinu}, and {nibli}. In your example you would want {mukt= i}:

A: .i ma mukti lo nu do co'e
B: .i tu'a d= o

All four of these have short tags: {ri'a},{mu'i},{ki= 'u}, and {ni'i}. So you can shorten the above to:

A: .= i mu'i ma do co'e
B: .i tu'a do

with no l= oss.

On = Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Mustafa =C4=B0pekbayrak <= ;mustafaip= ekbayrak@gmail.com> wrote:
=
I could not find any of why and for usage.My bad= .

Here is my example sentences in English.
-why did you do that?<= br>
-I did it for you.

I think 'krinu' is the wor= d to give an answer.

On 15 July 2015 at 13:= 19, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 13:06:39 Mustafa =C4=B0= pekbayrak wrote:
> Thank you very very much sir. I was think as I got the idea but I see = that
> I was not after to read your information. Thank you so much for your t= ime.
> Can I ask one more thing? I could not found any example about asking &= quot;why"
> and answering with "for". How can we do that?
> Thank you.

There are at least four ways to say "why" in Lojban, and t= here are several
meanings of "for". Please give an example.

Pierre
--
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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