Received: from mail-ob0-f184.google.com ([209.85.214.184]:34333) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZGpij-0005hL-Sr for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:37:45 -0700 Received: by obbgp5 with SMTP id gp5sf53081136obb.1 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=bQIZsusj20BhpyDvSfVVtfpkSgXhLa/U+BKgIZ2tPII=; b=W3VZx+7seOCWuMAHeWaPys1EUVC2nly08zdELPNXyABXQubSCMaJHpuKlHVE7F722E VJxsI9xGd26ZVE9VsJO3aQ5dhusivQEgHURopUI2bsek5uT1+CHfgKAN2mNvpjDdoylF wBqSu63KnWIUHTUD7l7pbto7hlW/8izXVOyw5slN4dg6MaMXBUjTcP52crDinroYHlyx s4ytGjZllNm720dwi63ur5U9pB7QV3ei+hiZjz/dbaN9cL1EP8MKudKEWTIERl3R0I51 iSFzIZHGD29P2lpwOptpdeG9cmhGdAX+8NSFgWZs7TEIWqa2nBTR+a5fwXW3KbQxdqOz bDcg== X-Received: by 10.140.41.210 with SMTP id z76mr10016qgz.16.1437316651952; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:37:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.19.174 with SMTP id 43ls2719619qgh.45.gmail; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:37:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.13.225.204 with SMTP id k195mr21265771ywe.40.1437316650875; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.225.2 with SMTP id rg2msigc; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:10:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.96.47 with SMTP id j44mr427946qge.19.1437315001277; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: scottmtc@libero.it To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4d4b6ea2-9a93-46dd-bf19-4c849d7f88d6@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] how to say "for obvious reasons"? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_0_53967351.1437315001024" X-Original-Sender: scottmtc@libero.it Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_0_53967351.1437315001024 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1_1124731534.1437315001037" ------=_Part_1_1124731534.1437315001037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've been studying modals and I was wondering how you could say things like "I did this for obvious reasons". The best translation I can think of is *mi pu co'e mu'i tu'a lo li'armi mukti*, but I don't find this very convincing since *tu'a [sumti]* = *lo nu/su'u [sumti] co'e*, and I don't know what that co'e could be in this case. One answer that comes to mind is that *tu'a lo li'armi mukti* = *lo su'u lo li'armi mukti cu zasti*, but when you say that you did something for obvious reasons it doesn't seem to me that you're saying *I did something because a self evident motive exists*. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_1_1124731534.1437315001037 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been studying modals and I was wondering how you = could say things like "I did this for obvious reasons".
The b= est translation I can think of is=C2=A0mi pu co'e mu'i tu'a = lo li'armi mukti, but I don't find this very convincing since <= b>tu'a [sumti] =3D lo nu/su'u [sumti] co'e, and I do= n't know what that co'e could be in this case. One answer that come= s to mind is that tu'a lo li'armi mukti =3D lo su'u l= o li'armi mukti cu zasti, but when you say that you did something f= or obvious reasons it doesn't seem to me that you're saying I di= d something because a self evident motive exists.
Can anyone = tell me what I'm missing?

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