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[212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hm7si237610wib.0.2015.07.19.07.49.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from [192.168.2.118] ([93.220.98.201]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTBLi-1ZQE812Tri-00S6AV for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:49:51 +0200 Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] how to say "for obvious reasons"? To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <4d4b6ea2-9a93-46dd-bf19-4c849d7f88d6@googlegroups.com> From: selpa'i Message-ID: <55ABB910.1080001@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:49:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4d4b6ea2-9a93-46dd-bf19-4c849d7f88d6@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:30qBcbLbAUmZVFYlt7+MtE9UDOWtpMQubH4830v2l+oMWKJv3zN G/YJRYmtll0AgInRxwo0Jfr+K2Gr7gnK6JJ0YKD0NeJl7xpkv29nMDYE5AllfLbThycJWIH ZpkRfFLxRoWzabk8WWmI+jhm6XyA+hhd4f8synsCzBxvDkGMP6GasQEdBClje+rDrxoS5RR VfvCneip5mvl9gQH5ykRg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Oe2CxN8BEzc=:6R8KTDSP2ALNK1aVjc9+f9 Q9tqga99Kycv++pAZaseRCufJnBGxMaEvdUE0yCCWUYXMHVAtHSFiohrn93MNoGM+ccVV3SLo T2To8uL18mJXCMzAWQk/93xeqOxvmkRkv+XKB64CYGw4XBPVBjVKxaNkD6UHSR4hNj9LhKTDJ w15NL5VWxHZJhO/WzAsHPbuXA43kb5W1uGQCBTZGn7cYDidRUb/6GsPCLx82vA8HdtNICQ0/a F9wFcXNGX9wDk3+pYRvHYq8g6ul7bviLblNy/YcSb4cNGsZay2HpXiH9VBVYcPC/0h3FCtlbV 1G97Qu5ZLv3xWnM54VyqCTAoE+5/UK3Vg7ZWkboSIvIUaQdyCzOhHKFS6SwQDNpvUAI3gy6II tsWrKB2NFs42II51sqiJSJ4/tGVKHQFwLCwXeH9MJ0iuLGHyxkiiOqCYot1EVKYIA9kIMH8hX v27T67xHj/a9UDBk163HdV1vxgG1TOB9/7kl2KROw09rbtatJ4CV1sUn2fGPRJJEBVKEPTcUJ HnLX8onWtqLfFLNahsbHxmhSrRvXbh5w2g0dhcfDXv/E0eSscI2LSKlxVJJ/6qZhAkoejPrVX f+oBPFVNvqk7vnA4t7807Woc15kPrpI8b0yr/ZVkIZGNORcPyw7eX9kmhOkyHhZHNt4KPZisx bcJEdDuXOvonYDRvDx9Knnwl9RV8cohTGJFjclEXEEX7NFjs8ZJAJlhRqa6pjxSufk2s= X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - scottmtc@libero.it: > I've been studying modals and I was wondering how you could say things > like "I did this for obvious reasons". > The best translation I can think of is *mi pu co'e mu'i tu'a lo li'armi > mukti*, but I don't find this very convincing since *tu'a [sumti]* = *lo > nu/su'u [sumti] co'e*, and I don't know what that co'e could be in this > case. (Welcome to the list!) I think I would say {mi pu co'e mu'i lo jai li'armi}, where {lo jai li'armi} is implicitly {lo mukti poi lo du'u mi pu co'e mu'i ke'a cu li'armi} - "motivations which are such that it's obvious that they are the motivations for doing co'e", in short "obvious motivations". mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.