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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c7si206280wiy.3.2015.09.18.03.15.59 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id ge5so25867879wic.0 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.242.202 with SMTP id ws10mr5963698wjc.47.1442571359322; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:15:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.227.5 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:15:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6841974.vC9XkMjLoQ@caracal> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 06:15:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] klama To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01419b026f8a2a052002d1fb X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --089e01419b026f8a2a052002d1fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I defy you to define the se muvdu of any given electron in there. They don't move from the source computer to the end computer, because the information (which is sometimes in the form of radio waves, for example) is constantly being read and re-transmitted by intervening devices. --gejyspa On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > The electrons that benji the packets muvdu. > On Sep 17, 2015 17:13, "Michael Turniansky" wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, September 17, 2015 13:14:42 Remo Dentato wrote: >>> > {klama} should only be for physical movement. If we accept {kibro} as a >>> > valid gismu (which is something I happily do), I would use {kibycpa} >>> >>> I'd use {kibycpa} for "download" and {kibycta} for looking at a web page. >>> >>> {klama} requires a destination, an origin, a route, and a means of >>> transport. >>> You aren't going from an origin to a destination when you view a web >>> page. The >>> packets containing the web page do muvdu (not sure about {klama} as I >>> don't >>> see a vehicle involved). >>> >> >> The packets don't muvdu, they se benji. >> --gejyspa >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=C2=A0 I defy you to define the se muvdu of any given elec= tron in there.=C2=A0 They don't move from the source computer to the en= d computer, because the information (which is sometimes in the form of radi= o waves, for example) is constantly being read and re-transmitted by interv= ening devices.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejysp= a


On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.= com> wrote:

= The electrons that benji the packets muvdu.

On Sep 17, 2015 17:13, &q= uot;Michael Turniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


On= Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Thursday, September= 17, 2015 13:14:42 Remo Dentato wrote:
> {klama} should only be for physical movement. If we accept {kibro} as = a
> valid gismu (which is something I happily do), I would use {kibycpa}
I'd use {kibycpa} for "download" and {kibycta} for loo= king at a web page.

{klama} requires a destination, an origin, a route, and a means of transpor= t.
You aren't going from an origin to a destination when you view a web pa= ge. The
packets containing the web page do muvdu (not sure about {klama} as I don&#= 39;t
see a vehicle involved).

=C2=A0 The pac= kets don't muvdu, they se benji.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa
=C2=A0

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