Received: from mail-vk0-f62.google.com ([209.85.213.62]:33586) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Zgkbz-0005nN-Nl for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:25:53 -0700 Received: by vkgd64 with SMTP id d64sf25186364vkg.0 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:importance:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=HO/YwyfxmsxggWae5rF+jpShMMR6+7G0p2v/Utehb5c=; b=hdSwDOhwneWSIs0TCEcdS4RdHFkRcMknoCgoHJtd1BgC1N5TWEEg6zztT4+llOkwqB gGC3CeBN2s4s/iG0VsnSVCo/hI0KGZj7moywh9ga/WEsGioOVbzoxEZ7p2sRym9mJgXi RLb22F6yMfdYn4h0aWs+4zEICSbomOuhLQlr94IDjGaGY90yUhoCQ+lZMz9sXwtqHfXp dHlEEMc6/Xwb+05Tk9R2RfKWDS5b0d7GdLKJPAVIbChIqzBVn48ublZUPp7u/etkhy33 Ci8if55CHsS8OhlI/KeLaHHAljP2RG7WP7+gnGz7uYGo9ITHmw+rhWj6s3+FbOMW5GRf QPoA== X-Received: by 10.140.40.20 with SMTP id w20mr157434qgw.1.1443493541093; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.30.33 with SMTP id c30ls3780563qgc.61.gmail; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:25:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.129.146.87 with SMTP id j84mr21299565ywg.18.1443493539891; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from questmail.futurequest.net (questmail1.futurequest.net. [69.5.6.245]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u67si2196257ywf.5.2015.09.28.19.25.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.5.6.245 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojban@fagricipni.com) client-ip=69.5.6.245; Message-ID: <5609f6a3.4684810a.15a6a.2a79SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@gmr-mx.google.com> Received: (qmail 30365 invoked by uid 12318); 29 Sep 2015 02:25:38 -0000 Received: from 192.168.6.118 (proxying for 24.51.167.210) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lojban@fagricipni.com) by QuestMail.FutureQuest.net:443 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:25:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:25:38 -0400 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Distinction between jibni and simsa? From: lojban@fagricipni.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Original-Sender: lojban@fagricipni.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.5.6.245 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojban@fagricipni.com) smtp.mailfrom=lojban@fagricipni.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - mi'e la fagri cipni From the gismu.txt list jibni: x1 is near/close to/approximates x2 in property/quantity x3 (ka/ni) simsa: x1 is similar/parallel to x2 in property/quantity x3 (ka/ni); x1 looks/appears like x2 I assume that the "looks ... like" in "simsa"'s definition does not mean that the property x3 must be an appearance-related property. So what is the real difference in meaning between "jibni" and "simsa". They both seem to mean basically the same thing. I encountered this because I am working through the memrise gismu course and this is giving me trouble in getting the correct word. I also had some problems with "simlu" but it seems to mean _appears to be_ under conditions x4; all I keep seeming to come up with are visual effects; eg, under illumination with a restricted range of light objects of one color will appear to be another color. But I think I get the basic concept. I'm not getting the difference between "jibni" and "simsa". mu'o mi'e la fagri cipni -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.