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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 00:26:07 -0400 Message-ID: <13753149.70AWb4rQz8@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-62-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5609f6a3.4684810a.15a6a.2a79SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@gmr-mx.google.com> References: <5609f6a3.4684810a.15a6a.2a79SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@gmr-mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Monday, September 28, 2015 22:25:38 lojban@fagricipni.com wrote: > mi'e la fagri cipni >=20 > From the gismu.txt list >=20 > jibni: x1 is near/close to/approximates x2 in property/quantity x3 (ka/ni= ) > simsa: x1 is similar/parallel to x2 in property/quantity x3 (ka/ni); > x1 looks/appears like x2 >=20 > I assume that the "looks ... like" in "simsa"'s definition does not > mean that the property x3 must be an appearance-related property. > So what is the real difference in meaning between "jibni" and > "simsa". They both seem to mean basically the same thing. I > encountered this because I am working through the memrise gismu > course and this is giving me trouble in getting the correct word. I > also had some problems with "simlu" but it seems to mean _appears to > be_ under conditions x4; all I keep seeming to come up with are > visual effects; eg, under illumination with a restricted range of > light objects of one color will appear to be another color. But I > think I get the basic concept. >=20 > I'm not getting the difference between "jibni" and "simsa". "jibni" is the opposite of "darno". If you're talking about any sort of=20 distance (or time), use "jibni"; if you're talking about resemblance, use= =20 "simsa". lo balfipmabru lo bakni cu jbimau lo ri'erxi'a lo pu'u jutfarvi .iku'i lo= =20 bakni lo balfipmabru cu smimau lo ri'erxi'a lo ka citka lo stagi Whales are closer than cows to hippopotami in evolution, but cows are more= =20 like hippopotami than whales are in that they eat vegetables. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.