Received: from mail-io0-f190.google.com ([209.85.223.190]:33755) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiREJ-0000Hp-2O for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 11:08:23 -0700 Received: by iofh134 with SMTP id h134sf25099490iof.0 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 11:08:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:importance:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=qHEgBPouNJhqYzDcI+iHr1MKWPibyJnfmqxruow/I4w=; b=ygACAXjWoH6CaPvSWQFZ0gE+K9cGp/6+YdGlI4wCjocipPo59FcfscvY5cBkCf4vEV MoULsAScYJVGcIASsVfV6dPfBxKbxvloFzfRY+cQbSkGfsgpe7USc0uem7Y8spASxEYB tgZ67XZLofTFKitjYh2JD6kgPx8uabVc4dELlAhSfzvj6J6jH5oOcvIxBi0s3Kv3pW3v ZzVpqfNFGSnuh2f4Z20h6ZdP7Qn8bkeQC+tLjLPjAUQDGJKxnmaB6VaBo9x21InTeCb5 PQuVxLBYzVxEnHTKY0ScAy+LoA/BXy03LJXZrQ/RIj4GanbH2JQkCDf3glppdi0cE9dD lJbw== X-Received: by 10.182.104.132 with SMTP id ge4mr119915obb.41.1443895693220; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 11:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.24.103 with SMTP id t7ls1163710obf.41.gmail; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.241.10 with SMTP id we10mr19224695obc.24.1443895692124; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 11:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from questmail.futurequest.net (questmail1.futurequest.net. [69.5.6.245]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q133si1711154ywb.1.2015.10.03.11.08.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Oct 2015 11:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.5.6.245 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojban@fagricipni.com) client-ip=69.5.6.245; Message-ID: <5610198b.8b5c810a.16123.ffffcc73SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@gmr-mx.google.com> Received: (qmail 26392 invoked by uid 12318); 3 Oct 2015 18:08:11 -0000 Received: from 192.168.6.118 (proxying for 24.51.167.210) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lojban@fagricipni.com) by QuestMail.FutureQuest.net:443 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 14:08:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 14:08:11 -0400 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Ramblings on Red Hair From: lojban@fagricipni.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Original-Sender: lojban@fagricipni.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.5.6.245 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojban@fagricipni.com) smtp.mailfrom=lojban@fagricipni.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_bar: -- mi'e la fagri cipni I don't know if I can do this but, I think: .i mi se ke xunre kerfa [ke'e] I have red hair. I'm not sure that the se-series can be used on a ke...ke'e grouping. I am dissatisfied with "mi xunre se kerfa" because it says that "I am a red possessor-of hair", which does not make it as clear that my hair is the thing that is red. "xunre kerfa" should mean "x1 is red hair of x2 on body part x3" -- I know that even that doesn't quite say that the red refers to the hair being red, but it seems better than "xunre se kerfa" to me. .i tu'a mi rinka lo za'i lo kerfa be mi ku xunre binxo I cause my hair to become red. (This is my way of saying that I dye my hair.) .i mi nelci lo li'i mi se kerfa lo xunre I like the experience of my hair being red. mu'o mi'e la fagri cipni -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.