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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mh4si58295igb.0.2015.10.22.14.48.13 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Pt2qMW83 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=tu8v4/BYpNWK47pT606GYA==:117 a=tu8v4/BYpNWK47pT606GYA==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=5lJygRwiOn0A:10 a=THALpaLY-1O57svOElcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 173.95.140.180 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [173.95.140.180] ([173.95.140.180:40462] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 23/F9-22996-C9959265; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:48:12 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015FC569 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:48:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Self Segregation Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1477952.xuuG4gfNlv@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-66-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 19:10:34 Ian Johnson wrote: > It depends on the stress. If there is a single stress on the penultimate > syllable of your fragment, then the first cv falls off and everything els= e > stays together. It also depends on whether the CC is a valid initial pair. If it isn't, and= =20 the stress is on the penult, you get a word like "baldakino" (which is some= =20 cloth I never heard of before) or "kardamomo". If the stress is on the first syllable, it breaks apart as CVCCV CV CV,=20 regardless of whether CC is a valid initial. If the stress is on the second= ,=20 you get CVCCVCV CV or CV CCVCV CV, depending on whether CC is a valid initi= al. I came up with "lokrataigo" as an example. "l=C3=B3krataigo" is "lokra tai = go"=20 (which is part of the grammatical utterance "lokra tai go ti gi ta").=20 "lokrat=C3=A1igo" is "lo krataigo". So you can say "lokra tai go lo krataig= o gi lo=20 fagjesyspa". Pierre --=20 The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.