Received: from mail-ig0-f183.google.com ([209.85.213.183]:33510) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpOSr-0002N9-Up for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:36:11 -0700 Received: by igbfs6 with SMTP id fs6sf1329264igb.0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:35:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=sMCRA18FZ3FA7d6uCgtohc5L2CWLaC7KuiooOV0SWXs=; b=G6ZhMShq7nS2NGKNGIInMN3Y28mmcM77kZMCvWT9q3N1xQCRyY3OYwbBlEf8Qye07e E6xzETDjW5ySgGC9X0ulDae5h1E4XibnYWdzzkDphjCQ5nhbO2UtPH8cFpSi16R/WQ29 OQIf6+my45nVeiFqHEivFryFnHNgGPdfQBAY53JhlOUGBtVBLvEW97Pgk94nmq3x8R+z XTLloOpUaC19iMp5o0/b5AsvvWlahLGVGRME7/6Dv+8pPBIcviRA+nQ+nlM9neKLfpQx 7j9crKYeJPR5yZYFRhRVD4/SFnHZsHGfq7lwItSk11zrYvjAg0wjmlKYWmMHHd2IA8ft g5KA== X-Received: by 10.140.17.73 with SMTP id 67mr366737qgc.17.1445553359514; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.33.228 with SMTP id j91ls1999027qgj.56.gmail; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.31.2.199 with SMTP id 190mr13856491vkc.10.1445553357470; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com (mail-oi0-x233.google.com. [2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4si43381igo.2.2015.10.22.15.35.57 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233; Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id o187so56283381oia.3 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.202.44.195 with SMTP id s186mr12021437ois.11.1445553357315; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.251.137 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1477952.xuuG4gfNlv@caracal> References: <1477952.xuuG4gfNlv@caracal> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:35:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Self Segregation To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11379ab85de62b0522b91e62 X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11379ab85de62b0522b91e62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or as Pierre did before, lo jbojbe na lojbo jbena lo jbojbena (BTW, Pierre, for an English limerick on baudekin, see my entry at oedilf: http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?VerseId=3D53377 --gejyspa On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 19:10:34 Ian Johnson wrote: > > It depends on the stress. If there is a single stress on the penultimat= e > > syllable of your fragment, then the first cv falls off and everything > else > > stays together. > > It also depends on whether the CC is a valid initial pair. If it isn't, a= nd > the stress is on the penult, you get a word like "baldakino" (which is so= me > cloth I never heard of before) or "kardamomo". > > If the stress is on the first syllable, it breaks apart as CVCCV CV CV, > regardless of whether CC is a valid initial. If the stress is on the > second, > you get CVCCVCV CV or CV CCVCV CV, depending on whether CC is a valid > initial. > > I came up with "lokrataigo" as an example. "l=C3=B3krataigo" is "lokra ta= i go" > (which is part of the grammatical utterance "lokra tai go ti gi ta"). > "lokrat=C3=A1igo" is "lo krataigo". So you can say "lokra tai go lo krata= igo gi > lo > fagjesyspa". > > Pierre > -- > The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11379ab85de62b0522b91e62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0 Or as Pierre did before,=C2=A0
lo jbojbe na
l= ojbo jbena=C2=A0
lo jbojb= ena
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (BTW,= Pierre, for an English limerick on baudekin, see my entry at oedilf:=C2=A0= http://www.oed= ilf.com/db/Lim.php?VerseId=3D53377

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa=C2=A0

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:48 P= M, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 19:10:34 I= an Johnson wrote:
> It depends on the stress. If there is a single stress on the penultima= te
> syllable of your fragment, then the first cv falls off and everything = else
> stays together.

It also depends on whether the CC is a valid initial pair. If it isn= 't, and
the stress is on the penult, you get a word like "baldakino" (whi= ch is some
cloth I never heard of before) or "kardamomo".

If the stress is on the first syllable, it breaks apart as CVCCV CV CV,
regardless of whether CC is a valid initial. If the stress is on the second= ,
you get CVCCVCV CV or CV CCVCV CV, depending on whether CC is a valid initi= al.

I came up with "lokrataigo" as an example. "l=C3=B3krataigo&= quot; is "lokra tai go"
(which is part of the grammatical utterance "lokra tai go ti gi ta&quo= t;).
"lokrat=C3=A1igo" is "lo krataigo". So you can say &quo= t;lokra tai go lo krataigo gi lo
fagjesyspa".

Pierre
--
The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Lojban Beginners" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to = lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban-beginners.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;Lojban Beginners" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lo= jban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners.
For more options, visit http= s://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--001a11379ab85de62b0522b91e62--