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[2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q18si173610ign.1.2015.11.17.21.47.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:47:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230; Received: by mail-ob0-x230.google.com with SMTP id gf3so25723215obd.3 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:47:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.251.170 with SMTP id zl10mr27616928obc.8.1447825671392; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:47:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.191.4 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:47:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 00:47:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Sarcasm To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2003ed712980524ca2e60 X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lytlesw@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2003ed712980524ca2e60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If a cmavo indicating sarcasm (e.g., xo'o) is used, is the resulting utterance still sarcasm? stevo On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:10 PM, guskant wrote: > > > Le mercredi 18 novembre 2015 00:01:49 UTC, la .tamar. a =C3=A9crit : >> >> coi >> >> My friend wanted to know if there is an attitudinal for showing sarcasm. >> >> Is there one? >> >> Thanks :) >> > > {xo'o} of selma'o UI is suggested and used by many people, though not yet > official: > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/xo'o > > The parser zantufa of version 0.1 or later, as well as the current > ilmentufa of experimental grammar, parses {xo'o} as UI. > http://guskant.github.io/gerna_cipra/zantufa-1.html > http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html > > In the past, {xo'o} was sometimes proposed for some different meanings, > but it seems that only the proposal for the meaning of sarcasm survived. > https://mw.lojban.org/papri/obsolete_experimental_cmavo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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If a cmavo indicating sarcasm (e.g., xo'o) is used, is t= he resulting utterance still sarcasm?=C2=A0

stevo

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015= at 9:10 PM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
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Le = mercredi 18 novembre 2015 00:01:49 UTC, la .tamar. a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
coi

My friend wa= nted to know if there is an attitudinal for showing sarcasm.

Is ther= e one?

Thanks :)

{x= o'o} of selma'o UI is suggested and used by many people, though not= yet official:

The parser zantufa of version 0.1 or later, as well as th= e current ilmentufa of experimental grammar, parses {xo'o} as UI.
=
http://guskant.github.io/gerna_cipra/zantufa-1.html

In the past, {xo'o} was sometimes p= roposed for some different meanings, but it seems that only the proposal fo= r the meaning of sarcasm survived.

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