Received: from mail-lb0-f186.google.com ([209.85.217.186]:34475) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1a5xBO-0001G8-Jk for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:35 -0800 Received: by lbnq10 with SMTP id q10sf23101264lbn.1 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Wo2UvIZkK5SrEBDL8ShZWUTJ8lleRUDJfBaUXPitOgk=; b=uX2qhNQbIuE3H7+jMcx77JZ8DacC7tLY8EzMGrcmTnOM/R9etDen19v/vfYjguWjY0 zuiM6N7iZXpnV4FXvmVhkCM7d7ddYNlmMr1z/yG/ENSD5JHWyV6ElD7HWj9Ca+wLo7Gx XlF0x8vC6BhEqH7DF9GLmuC+ZEEYQK3wMxnEYCsUJTkjWXOVQQSpu/0gJ8ldSsQNMeRA guOn+oBNlNDGthTDJFxbMhf+Uj/eSKmVci0aXox0KtMUpR84kaIGOLWdGf9ncLgt9Srv DDPTRiNrVdi635kEqkGnKdgc6XYXmLgrfV/+MLfPwK74esYy+li+2QS0adrPawwUWiru m47Q== X-Received: by 10.28.146.78 with SMTP id u75mr60873wmd.21.1449500063315; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.28.174.67 with SMTP id x64ls824477wme.36.canary; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.105.74 with SMTP id gk10mr1507165wjb.4.1449500062626; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x229.google.com (mail-wm0-x229.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b62si699247wmc.0.2015.12.07.06.54.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of wow.jvs@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::229; Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id c201so169299959wme.0 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.28.227.212 with SMTP id a203mr21227277wmh.68.1449500062451; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.128.134.200] ([194.230.159.232]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id w4sm25618511wje.49.2015.12.07.06.54.21 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:54:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <56659D99.1010905@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 15:54:17 +0100 From: mezohe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] tanru specification References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Original-Sender: wow.jvs@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of wow.jvs@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wow.jvs@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - 2015-12-07 04:51 Tommy Kagan: > how does one say > "the girly school" {lo ckule poi simsa lo nixli} (just an approximation, because Lojban doesn't (yet) have a word with the same baggage that "girly" carries) > and then > "the school for girls" {lo ckule be fo lo nixli} To express a non-obvious meaning of a tanru, you often need to use some other method, like filling in places or attaching a relative clause. Usually, if a tanru can be plausibly expanded as the seltau (its x1 or an abstraction involving it) fitting in some place of the tertau, it will be understood that way, so for just {lo nixli ckule} without any unusual context, "school for girls" is a more likely reading than "girly school". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.