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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] List of Lojban words for its grammatical classes
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I don't see this used nearly as often as the all-caps class name, but I=20
think properly *lojbo* class names start with *cmavr*. So the lojbanic=20
version of the class name ZAhO would be {cmavrza'o}.

See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/cmavrza'o


On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 2:48:12 AM UTC-7, Ilmen wrote:
>
> On 25/05/2016 05:04, Timothy Lawrence wrote:
>
> Yes, but "za'o" can't be used in Lojban for both that word *and* its=20
> structural class because Lojban has only one definition per word.
>
>
> In particular, how is this answered in Lojban?
>
>
> ma selma'o zo za'o
>
>
> (I hope that's correct Lojban?)
>
>
> And what are the other word classes?
>
>
> In order to talk about cmavo belonging to a particular selmaho in Lojban,=
=20
> you can either:
> =E2=80=A2 use {lo cmavo be lo se cmavo be zo za'o} (=3D "the cmavo of the=
 same=20
> selmaho as {za'o}), or {lo selma'o dunli be zo za'o} (=3D "the things equ=
al=20
> to {za'o} in their selmaho");
> =E2=80=A2 or use the experimenetal cmavo {ma'oi}=20
> <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ma%27oi>, which belongs to the ZO=20
> selmaho (thus, same grammatical behavior as {zo}):  {lo cmavo be ma'oi=20
> za'o} =3D "the cmavo of selmaho ZAhO".
>
> Here's a nice mindmap that classifies selmaho:
> =E2=80=A2 <https://mind42.com/mindmap/03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-2dfb86d21db=
c>
> https://mind42.com/mindmap/03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-2dfb86d21dbc
>
> mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t see this used nearly as often as the all-caps =
class name, but I think properly <i>lojbo</i> class names start with <i>cma=
vr</i>. So the lojbanic version of the class name ZAhO would be {cmavrza=
9;o}.<br><br>See http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/cmavrza&#39;o<br><br><=
br>On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 2:48:12 AM UTC-7, Ilmen wrote:<blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    On 25/05/2016 05:04, Timothy Lawrence wrote:<br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
      <div style=3D"font-size:10pt;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;f=
ont-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
        <p><span>Yes, but &quot;<span>za&#39;o</span>&quot;
            can&#39;t be used=C2=A0in Lojban for both that word <i>and</i> =
its
            structural=C2=A0class because Lojban has only one definition pe=
r
            word.</span></p>
        <p><span><br>
          </span></p>
        <p><span>In particular, how is this answered in Lojban?</span></p>
        <p><span><br>
          </span></p>
        <p><span>ma=C2=A0selma&#39;o zo za&#39;o</span><br>
        </p>
        <p><span><br>
          </span></p>
        <p><span>(I hope that&#39;s correct Lojban?)</span></p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>And what are the other word classes?<br>
        </p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    In order to talk about cmavo belonging to a particular selmaho in
    Lojban, you can either:<br>
    =E2=80=A2 use {lo cmavo be lo se cmavo be zo za&#39;o} (=3D &quot;the c=
mavo of the same
    selmaho as {za&#39;o}), or {lo selma&#39;o dunli be zo za&#39;o} (=3D &=
quot;the things
    equal to {za&#39;o} in their selmaho&quot;);<br>
    =E2=80=A2 or use the experimenetal cmavo <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lo=
jban.org/dict/ma%27oi" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"th=
is.href=3D&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban=
.org%2Fdict%2Fma%2527oi\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEEeoUK9M1Yx=
7F_oEYbRpWMi6Jbvg&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://www=
.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fma%2527oi\x=
26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEEeoUK9M1Yx7F_oEYbRpWMi6Jbvg&#39;;re=
turn true;">{ma&#39;oi}</a>, which
    belongs to the ZO selmaho (thus, same grammatical behavior as
    {zo}):=C2=A0 {lo cmavo be ma&#39;oi za&#39;o} =3D &quot;the cmavo of se=
lmaho ZAhO&quot;.<br>
    <br>
    Here&#39;s a nice mindmap that classifies selmaho:<br>
    =E2=80=A2 <a href=3D"https://mind42.com/mindmap/03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14=
-2dfb86d21dbc" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=
=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmind42.com%2Fmindmap%=
2F03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-2dfb86d21dbc\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAF=
QjCNGH8hfSE_w73YagN6S7HsnipLzHeA&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D=
&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmind42.com%2Fmindmap%2F0=
3d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-2dfb86d21dbc\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjC=
NGH8hfSE_w73YagN6S7HsnipLzHeA&#39;;return true;"></a><a href=3D"https://min=
d42.com/mindmap/03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-2dfb86d21dbc" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\=
x3dhttps%3A%2F%2Fmind42.com%2Fmindmap%2F03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-2dfb86d21db=
c\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNGH8hfSE_w73YagN6S7HsnipLzHeA&#39;=
;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\x3d=
https%3A%2F%2Fmind42.com%2Fmindmap%2F03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-2dfb86d21dbc\x=
26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNGH8hfSE_w73YagN6S7HsnipLzHeA&#39;;re=
turn true;">https://mind42.com/mindmap/<wbr>03d7fb74-986c-4418-bb14-<wbr>2d=
fb86d21dbc</a><br>
    <br>
    mi&#39;e la .ilmen. mu&#39;o<br>
    <br>
  </div>

</blockquote></div>

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