Received: from mail-vk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:32930) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bHRBL-0007Ln-SI for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:42:15 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f61.google.com with SMTP id c127sf53390072vkb.0 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:42:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=dg5W6u15johpgR59C+tiKysLX1+3ApWihHCdk9on0kU=; b=bAmdgIbptLULfSuX4EkWDLlQPBAIRiHRd/R4jDJES58Df+/wT72mesGb+mimFARvGV hsJlqFiezzTqwcUzDwrHyKqDmq9qpcYR/P/4TaxmUMOcKrBZtop5CBIUaGOuqli0r47x fKBwil2U7Hf5tdVbBxJuX63hWaePXH//5XmYMwgqA4KZojqBFECtm6d/dl8NBYa09Bla KoZ4eq0kmOEvaZRy4KvuA6EfaqTozJTwiEgGJVADOqp6ZpaVU9RvhqRl0waxiNZ/5bYn 0IV2FPUBsP2N64fowJK3NCDnLlL1i+2uxwqtbaNZKz1hRPCbStOE+Is6uQg6DxFnroFV SSpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=dg5W6u15johpgR59C+tiKysLX1+3ApWihHCdk9on0kU=; b=Xa6WgMEMPzMP1FVKYksUwgpR6irO4cvx1TaoafPHH69U4u7iiTuRtEQFNWPHZdlxfH MqtZGOO5kxlJPz8ec6eqoGJuQFwxvXs/2f0cVHrsB5L25lbmUYB2H3Ai0P1plusXgnWc n4zQslGvXA/2EYtqfeG4bgvqqYFcmhtBb/CkQbv7Ah1eGek05oPB5HA3Ztmz6J9V98HR c5NImKd+zTaarkifd0zIBjll1x8vc8YegAdnZCAnXnIqHbTUSblBFff1C8tYYG+OkcGQ nL7SEXsql4dDVeXPbYMcZUODa8/37rQMnELfnhFiMnZA8Pi+UIrNOzEEG7P79xEfKitv cfKQ== Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJsws3/ctAphn46bu9uTzQ5ctbeYf1Ggt7NxsBXOU86mXke7qSsWOvv9im8GLB8xA== X-Received: by 10.157.39.133 with SMTP id c5mr598182otb.6.1467013325799; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.157.47.173 with SMTP id r42ls6787287otb.15.gmail; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:42:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.5.175 with SMTP id 44mr15898867otd.48.1467013324988; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.237.50.197 with SMTP id z63msqtd; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:34:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.34.202 with SMTP id y68mr579389ota.4.1466994894545; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ozone.blob@gmail.com To: Lojban Beginners Message-Id: <4f1ee314-6e7f-4499-95a8-11ae9fa821a1@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] A question on how causals in Lojban work in a sentence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3664_1018322349.1466994894329" X-Original-Sender: Ozone.Blob@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_3664_1018322349.1466994894329 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3665_1447966102.1466994894329" ------=_Part_3665_1447966102.1466994894329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Recently I've been looking at some Lojbanic sentences or constructions or whatever, and came upon one in which I'm not sure how a causal relationship works, or of the role of "ri'a". It is as follows: *ca lo nu mi klama lo zdani vau do pinxe lo tcati ri'a lo nu do taske*There are three bridi within this: 'mi klama lo zdani', 'do pinxe lo ladru' and 'do taske'; 'I go home', 'you drink milk' and 'you are thirsty' respectively. I understand that ca at the beginning indicates that the relation/action described in the first bridi occurs before that in the second, and that ri'a indicaates a causal relationship with some aspect of the words that precede it being as a result of the final bridi, however I'm unsure exactly what that is, is it that one of the things happens before the other or does the causal relationship involve only thefinal two bridi with the first one added just for additional information as to when it happened? Just wondering if anyone could clear that up for me, thanks. Owen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_3665_1447966102.1466994894329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Recently I've been looking at some Lojbanic sentences = or constructions or whatever, and came upon one in which I'm not sure h= ow a causal relationship works, or of the role of "ri'a".
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It is as follows:

ca lo nu mi klama lo zdani vau do pinxe lo = tcati ri'a lo nu do taske

There are three bridi within this:= 'mi klama lo zdani', 'do pinxe lo ladru' and 'do taske= '; 'I go home', 'you drink milk' and 'you are thirs= ty' respectively.

I understand that ca at the beginning indicate= s that the relation/action described in the first bridi occurs before that = in the second, and that ri'a indicaates a causal relationship with some= aspect of the words that precede it being as a result of the final bridi, = however I'm unsure exactly what that is, is it that one of the things h= appens before the other or does the causal relationship involve only thefin= al two bridi with the first one added just for additional information as to= when it happened?

Just wondering if anyone could clear that up for = me, thanks.

Owen

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