Received: from mail-pf0-f190.google.com ([209.85.192.190]:33075) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bbunc-00031G-42 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:22:27 -0700 Received: by mail-pf0-f190.google.com with SMTP id i6sf33228124pfe.0 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:22:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=9Jsbpp8GFJgmkQEkJ+Myvq1MsQNwt4hnVNPzlmq4Y3U=; b=kow/I1B2I/Ac5D+BMvCKtkLVXAohWB2U8zE2oJuk+5ke952l6AAMSYII0nRiw2ncWI +0RXjKQSkDhVv32Njw23PTacgMKE+O7GrIpWwsI7ynOYfLD8z57MS3Q19S8IU1BHOO32 xl+Das2Q+W690qjrrbGMOVwpvaQx5fVuQsI5ZX21haWhfGmfnQDqK40q2XOjTo12Esf0 gK1GyAuqMLxDnLte1gY6VZgixj7VlaR3sv4ZokUwsHl/WsTXXxVdkV906Cy5pBOheg/1 RPJR26oQOYqjhcoTPc7SfOFbERgPSUelVQhRrK249ct3HCcAuQTunY1sIu/IMTzwPHZ8 VsvA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=sender:x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=9Jsbpp8GFJgmkQEkJ+Myvq1MsQNwt4hnVNPzlmq4Y3U=; b=QYYcqbuwznLnqKuDJNQFhevqeQgKg8/1kVcdIsUBsVpkk+QxboBiwYq4sOlKsFxrs+ nbECrQ9PSzsTHsuS0unz8sJ6UwAs65u7FLtaf1ppZZd8qJifSJluh1Sz9SiZH2Hp3+gL wWLiJHKyoPLfn58IT6hFY9FHilMwWk1v/TQSy5P5F7I4HOkFiajnD/GqMIjtfmdd91bg e3O18njWP+de24yHmXOvyKDSqMtqiU4HpzknZEjIeZ4uv/FUwS/1YLQLkIq4QNXnhhP6 KBJb9NTwU0B+mloFN4sj88E7520vPa+2GxX9rR8d9pRsrLC3R2pNl1YnPtZoO2uqMlDh ucKg== Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoousogDfxkKB+MI1WGU4ssF1zmoOKpVGaFtNdVOJmuSyqpuEeTH/XV0aanKV90oBWbQ== X-Received: by 10.36.6.141 with SMTP id 135mr387706itv.0.1471893734176; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:22:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.160.199 with SMTP id j190ls4327643ioe.46.gmail; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:22:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.160.228 with SMTP id xn4mr16555489pab.43.1471893732980; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.87.15 with SMTP id l15msoib; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.38.178 with SMTP id l47mr1196627otb.13.1471886864762; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com To: Lojban Beginners Message-Id: <529f37c9-bd52-4604-8127-9c571d857ecd@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <54465f94-703e-48f8-8d8b-b0a1622c0ce0@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Is Lojban actually learnable? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3985_1924161503.1471886864656" X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_3985_1924161503.1471886864656 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3986_1862910141.1471886864656" ------=_Part_3986_1862910141.1471886864656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Em segunda-feira, 22 de agosto de 2016 12:45:16 UTC+3, la uakci escreveu: > > Nah, I'm doing it for 1 year and I feel very close to fluency. *sei=20 > tolcumla* > Nope. la uakci learnt it in just 4 months to kinda fluency (vague term but= =20 who asks for standardized test?). 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Em segunda-feira, 22 de agosto de 2016 12:45:16 UT= C+3, la uakci escreveu:

Nah, I'm doing it for 1 year and I feel very close to fluency.= *sei tolcumla*


Nope. la uakci learnt i= t in just 4 months to kinda fluency (vague term but who asks for standardiz= ed test?). Proved by logs.
=C2=A0

=E2=80=94 mi'e la uakci mu'o re'i =E2=80=94


On Aug 22, 2016 11:43 AM, "Niles R= ogoff" <niles...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah but you have to study it for= like three years, is what I've heard.

El domingo, 21 de agosto = de 2016, 10:43:04 (UTC-4), Collin Damskov escribi=C3=B3:
I know the language can be learned, but I am wonderi= ng if it can be grasped in the same way as other languages?=C2=A0 Is it act= ually possible to gain a level of fluency in it that you barely have to thi= nk about what is going on when you use it?=C2=A0 It is fundamentally differ= ent from other languages, so I wonder if this could be learned in the same = way as other languages.

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