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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] The "xr" and "rx" pairs
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:37:47 -0400
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On Monday, September 11, 2017 10:17:59 PM EDT sukender1@gmail.com wrote:
> coi
>=20
> I have issues pronouncing the "xr" and "rx" pairs, such as in "pixra". I
> generally have to make a pause, as if it was "pix,ra". Is it correct?
> Actually, if I pronounce it too quickly, it sounds like "pirra" or "pixxa
> "...
>=20
> More generally speaking, the French 'r' (my mother tongue language)
> unfortunately sounds *between *the Lojban 'x' and 'r' sounds... So I gues=
s
> pronouncing the 'r' the French way is a very bad idea! I actually pronoun=
ce
> it the Spanish way (so think about "pix,ra"...), not the English way. I
> know there is no *absolute* rule about the 'r' pronunciation (*), but wha=
t
> is your feeling about the most practical and most understandable way to
> pronounce 'r', "xr" and "rx" ?

I pronounce /r/ in both these combinations as a trill. I pronounce /xr/ as=
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overlapping /x/ and /r/, but /rx/ as /r/ followed by /x/ with no overlap. A=
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long string of them, as in "rirxrxrazdani rirxyxrazdani", gets interesting =
:)=20
I think that the way I should pronounce "rxrxr" is:
/r/: [r], like Spanish "rr"
/x/: [x] or [=CF=87]
/r/: [=C9=9D], because it's syllabic
/xr/: simultaneous alveolar and uvular trill, with voicing turned on in the=
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middle.
But I may pronounce it as a long simultaneous trill with the voicing turned=
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off and on twice. (Hrazdan is a river in Armenia.)

Pierre
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.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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