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I'm sorry that you might have considered my commentary as a bad systematic= =20 treatment of xorlo. https://mw.lojban.org/papri/gadri:_an_unofficial_commentary_from_a_logical_= point_of_view Even though it is bad, it includes a systematic table of meaning of {lo}=20 with numbers in Section 3.2.1. By applying M=3D2, N=3D5 and broda=3D{gerku}= , we=20 obtain the following examples: re lo mu gerku : two (which are dogs distributively) of dogs that are five re loi mu gerku : two (which are dogs distributively) of groups that consists of dogs that=20 are five re lo'i mu gerku : two (which are dogs distributively) of sets that consists of dogs that are= =20 five pi re lo mu gerku : Quantity 0.2 of a part of one of dogs that are five (It is not a dog but a part of a dog.) pi re loi mu gerku : Quantity 0.2 of a part of one of groups that consists of dogs that are five (It is one dog.) pi re lo'i mu gerku : Quantity 0.2 of a part (subset) of one of sets that consists of dogs that= =20 are five (It is a set of one dog.) mu'o=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Le lundi 2 octobre 2017 08:06:21 UTC, Tomislav Ost= ojich a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
I=E2= =80=99ve yet to find a good systematic treatment of xorlo despite searching= , so I am asking someone to do the obvious: take the sumti =E2=80=9Cgerku= =E2=80=9D and apply every possible xorlo to it, followed by a brief English= translation and explanation.


I'm sorry that you might have considered my commentary as a bad syste= matic treatment of xorlo.
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/gadri:_an_u= nofficial_commentary_from_a_logical_point_of_view

= Even though it is bad, it includes a systematic table of meaning of {lo} wi= th numbers in Section 3.2.1. By applying M=3D2, N=3D5 and broda=3D{gerku}, = we obtain the following examples:

re lo mu gerku :
two (which are dogs distr= ibutively) of dogs that are five

re loi mu gerku :
two (which are dogs distr= ibutively) of groups that consists of dogs that are five

re lo'i mu gerku :
<= div>two (which are dogs distributively) of sets that consists of dogs that = are five

pi re lo mu gerku :
Quantity 0.2 of a part of one of dogs that are = five
(It is not a dog but a part of a dog.)

<= div>pi re loi mu gerku :
Q= uantity 0.2 of a part of one of groups that consists of dogs that are five<= /div>
(It is one dog.)

pi re lo'i mu gerku= :
Quantity 0.2 of a part = (subset) of one of sets that consists of dogs that are five
(It i= s a set of one dog.)

mu'o=C2=A0

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