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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 20:02:40 -0500
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pi re loi mu gerku :
Quantity 0.2 of a part of one of groups that consists of dogs that are five
(It is one dog.)

Why does this not also mean an arbitrary group of parts of the group of
five dogs, such as all their heads or legs?

stevo

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:51 AM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Le lundi 2 octobre 2017 08:06:21 UTC, Tomislav Ostojich a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>> I=E2=80=99ve yet to find a good systematic treatment of xorlo despite se=
arching,
>> so I am asking someone to do the obvious: take the sumti =E2=80=9Cgerku=
=E2=80=9D and apply
>> every possible xorlo to it, followed by a brief English translation and
>> explanation.
>
>
>
> I'm sorry that you might have considered my commentary as a bad systemati=
c
> treatment of xorlo.
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/gadri:_an_unofficial_
> commentary_from_a_logical_point_of_view
>
> Even though it is bad, it includes a systematic table of meaning of {lo}
> with numbers in Section 3.2.1. By applying M=3D2, N=3D5 and broda=3D{gerk=
u}, we
> obtain the following examples:
>
> re lo mu gerku :
> two (which are dogs distributively) of dogs that are five
>
> re loi mu gerku :
> two (which are dogs distributively) of groups that consists of dogs that
> are five
>
> re lo'i mu gerku :
> two (which are dogs distributively) of sets that consists of dogs that ar=
e
> five
>
> pi re lo mu gerku :
> Quantity 0.2 of a part of one of dogs that are five
> (It is not a dog but a part of a dog.)
>
> pi re loi mu gerku :
> Quantity 0.2 of a part of one of groups that consists of dogs that are fi=
ve
> (It is one dog.)
>
> pi re lo'i mu gerku :
> Quantity 0.2 of a part (subset) of one of sets that consists of dogs that
> are five
> (It is a set of one dog.)
>
> mu'o
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;co=
urier new&quot;,monospace"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-=
size:14.4px">pi re loi mu gerku<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span=
>:</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">Quanti=
ty 0.2 of a part of one of groups that consists of dogs that are five</div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">(It is one dog=
.)</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px"><br></=
div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">Why does t=
his not also mean an arbitrary group of parts of the group of five dogs, su=
ch as all their heads or legs?=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,s=
ans-serif;font-size:14.4px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-=
serif;font-size:14.4px">stevo</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:51 AM, guskant <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gusni.kantu@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>gusni.kantu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D""><br><br>Le lundi 2 octobre 2017 08:06=
:21 UTC, Tomislav Ostojich a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">I=E2=80=99ve yet to find a good systematic treatment of xorlo de=
spite searching, so I am asking someone to do the obvious: take the sumti =
=E2=80=9Cgerku=E2=80=9D and apply every possible xorlo to it, followed by a=
 brief English translation and explanation.</blockquote><div><br></div><div=
><br></div></span><div>I&#39;m sorry that you might have considered my comm=
entary as a bad systematic treatment of xorlo.</div><div><a href=3D"https:/=
/mw.lojban.org/papri/gadri:_an_unofficial_commentary_from_a_logical_point_o=
f_view" target=3D"_blank">https://mw.lojban.org/papri/<wbr>gadri:_an_unoffi=
cial_<wbr>commentary_from_a_logical_<wbr>point_of_view</a></div><div><br></=
div><div>Even though it is bad, it includes a systematic table of meaning o=
f {lo} with numbers in Section 3.2.1. By applying M=3D2, N=3D5 and broda=3D=
{gerku}, we obtain the following examples:</div><div><br></div><div>re lo m=
u gerku<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span>:</div><div>two (which =
are dogs distributively) of dogs that are five</div><div><br></div><div>re =
loi mu gerku<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span>:</div><div>two (w=
hich are dogs distributively) of groups that consists of dogs that are five=
</div><div><br></div><div>re lo&#39;i mu gerku<span style=3D"white-space:pr=
e-wrap">	</span>:</div><div>two (which are dogs distributively) of sets tha=
t consists of dogs that are five</div><div><br></div><div>pi re lo mu gerku=
<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span>:</div><div>Quantity 0.2 of a =
part of one of dogs that are five</div><div>(It is not a dog but a part of =
a dog.)</div><div><br></div><div>pi re loi mu gerku<span style=3D"white-spa=
ce:pre-wrap">	</span>:</div><div>Quantity 0.2 of a part of one of groups th=
at consists of dogs that are five</div><div>(It is one dog.)</div><div><br>=
</div><div>pi re lo&#39;i mu gerku<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</s=
pan>:</div><div>Quantity 0.2 of a part (subset) of one of sets that consist=
s of dogs that are five</div><div>(It is a set of one dog.)</div><div><br><=
/div><div>mu&#39;o=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"=
>

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