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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Connecting clauses and serial verbs:  How best
 to translate "Come and take them"
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:20:51 -0500
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On Friday, 16 February 2018 14.24.50 EST volcpitar wrote:
> Coi ro do mi=E2=80=99e lo di=E2=80=99a nintadni be la lojban. be=E2=80=99=
u no=E2=80=99u la volcpitar
>=20
> .i a=E2=80=99o mi bau drani cusku dei .i pe=E2=80=99u ko se va=E2=80=99u =
mi draga=E2=80=99igau lo se srera
> pe dei.
>=20
> Greetings all!  I am a repeat new student of Lojban going by the name of
> Volcpitar.  I hope I am saying these sentences correctly from a linguisti=
c
> point of view and would appreciate any corrections.

"be'u" should be "be'o". "mi bau drani cusku" means "I say correctly in=20
(unspecified language)"; I think you want "mi banske drani cusku".

> I have just been finishing my review of the CLL and the list of gismu and
> have a few questions regarding how to connect clauses.  In the back of my
> mind, I am thinking about languages that use serial verbs or an equivalen=
t
> to express stages of an action and am wondering how these should come
> across in Lojban.
>=20
> To take a concrete example, how could you translate =CE=BC=CE=BF=CE=BB=E1=
=BD=BC=CE=BD =CE=BB=CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=AD (mol=E1=B9=91n lab=C3=A9)
> (Come and take them!), the Spartans=E2=80=99 famous response to the Persi=
ans=E2=80=99
> demand to lay down their arms and surrender at the battle of Thermopylae?
>=20
> Although English can use a connective, clearly the meaning is really =E2=
=80=9Ccome
> to take them!=E2=80=9D and involves a single activity rather than two sep=
arate
> ones.   How could I handle this succinctly  in Lojban?

I'd say the complete sentence is "ko klama be ti be'o lebna ti"; shorter=20
versions are "ko klama lebna ti" and "ko klama be ti lebna".

> A related question is how would I just say: =E2=80=9CCome here=E2=80=9D? =
 My first guess
> would be =E2=80=9Cko vi klama,=E2=80=9D  but wouldn=E2=80=99t that imply =
that the entire movement
> described by the selbri--i.e., the entire route-- is close by, rather tha=
n
> just the destination?

"ko klama ti" is correct. You could also say "ko mo'ibu'u klama", but "mo'i=
vi"=20
is ungrammatical according to jbofi'e.

> By the way, I tried to edit my original post, but couldn't figure out how
> to do it and ended up deleting it. Sorry for any inconvenience

You can't edit or delete an email once you've sent it.

Pierre
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