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[45.55.162.231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w10-v6si636675ioa.2.2018.09.09.16.28.49 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) client-ip=45.55.162.231; Received: from bezitopo.org (tunnel11899-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:7:42::2]) by marozi.bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8307B5FA1A for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mooncat.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E69336EB8 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:28:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Can one be fluent in Lojban in the same way as other languages? Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 19:28:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1852770.ntEWICyUCe@mooncat> In-Reply-To: <852635b4-2be7-4918-8ea1-5965eeb377e1@googlegroups.com> References: <67f3eb33-6881-41b6-8d4c-f7357c822705@googlegroups.com> <852635b4-2be7-4918-8ea1-5965eeb377e1@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org designates 45.55.162.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_bar: -- On Sunday, 9 September 2018 18.52.40 EDT gryphkat@gmail.com wrote: > It certainly is a very few people have achieved this. I suspect it takes > less time put in with traditional languages, actually. I think it is more difficult to be fluent in Lojban because the vocabulary is not as large. One part of fluency, which is important in a language with a small vocabulary, is making up words on the fly. My first two languages are English and French; if I'm speaking Spanish and I don't know the word for something, I can borrow a word from French, or coin one from Latin roots that I know from English and French words, and have a high probability of being understood or even getting the right word. If I'm talking Lojban with, say, a Japanese, and I don't know the word for something, I could make up a lujvo, which has some chance of being understood, or I could make up a fu'ivla, which has very little chance of being understood, since the only language we have in common is Lojban. The lack of vocabulary for some things means that more time will be spent making up words for those things, resulting in less fluency. 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