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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: I still do not understand the difference between bridi and jufra; if I understand that bridi relates to propositions and jufra to sentences; I understand that a proposition is always a sentence but a [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to dbl.spamhaus.org was blocked due to usage of an open resolver. See https://www.spamhaus.org/returnc/pub/ [URIs: googlegroups.com] 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4983] 0.0 RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS RBL: ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to zen.spamhaus.org was blocked due to usage of an open resolver. 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Am I right? Am I wrong? So, were I right, the exercise: "Don't panic" should be only a jufra and not a jufra and a bridi. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/lojban-beginners/1c35b96c-eda7-4de3-adec-11a469a79f3fn%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_32021_1100829911.1693303356282 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still do not understand the difference between bridi and jufra;=C2=A0if I understand that bridi relates to propositions and jufra to sentences;= I understand that a proposition is always a sentence but a sentence is not= always a proposition; since interrogative, exhortative, desiderative and e= xclamative utterances cannot be propositions, since they cannto be affirmat= ed or negated.

Am I right? Am I wrong?

So, were I ri= ght, the exercise: "Don't panic" should be only a jufra and not a jufra and= a bridi.

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