From pille@mac.com Mon Feb 17 00:45:37 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.86]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18kgu8-0004gX-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:45:36 -0800 Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h1H8jZ51009702 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([80.142.185.233]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HAG2ZY00.ACG for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:45:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:45:32 +0100 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: closed systems error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Jan Pilgenroeder To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2CC41810-4254-11D7-A8B7-000393B76BE4@mac.com> X-archive-position: 132 X-Approved-By: pille@mac.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: pille@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners I want to use the definition as a basic scientific term that is as true to what observations can do as possible and links operations just like those operations do. It's supposed to be like a math-operation that only deals with numbers but does not take into account what the things that are counted are. When you want do describe what a certain axiom in math does you don't say "One Apple times no Apples is no Apples". You just say 1*0=0. You want to add all kinds of assumptions. That's fine for every-day talk, but won't do for a scientific term that is meant to describe how velbo'e work with the most basic and generic description that's possible. Bye, Jan. -- Jan Pilgenroeder Theaterstr. 59 52062 Aachen