From lojban@65536.org Wed Feb 12 06:35:31 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ixyz-0005Pi-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:35:29 -0800 Received: from [212.227.126.200] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ixyy-0001Hc-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:35:28 +0100 Received: from [172.23.4.133] (helo=config6.kundenserver.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ixyy-0001h9-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:35:28 +0100 Received: from www-data by config6.kundenserver.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18ixyx-0003Qk-00 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:35:27 +0100 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A problem with cu From: lojban@65536.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-From: 5391625 Received: from 217.87.14.174 by webmail.puretec.de via HTTP X-Binford: 6100 (more power) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:35:27 +0100 X-archive-position: 92 X-Approved-By: lojban@65536.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: lojban@65536.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi xorxes. la xorxes. cusku di'e > la iens cusku di'e > > >Thanks for your answers. If I would recognize {nu mi cilre fi > >la lojban.} in {lenu mi cilre fi la lojban. cu xamgu mi} as a > >selbri the {cu} in this sentence would be clear. Let's see what > >I understand with my little knowledge about Lojban. If I don't > >use {cu} {xamgu} would be x5 of {cilre}. Then the sentence doesn't > >make any sense to me. > > No, it's not that. {xamgu} is not a sumti, so it cannot fill > a sumti place. {xamgu} is a selbri. What you are missing is > that if you put two selbri words together, you get another > selbri. You need {cu} in {le broda cu brode} so that {broda} > and {brode} don't form a tanru. The same situation > occurs if you replace {broda} with {nu mi cilre fi la lojban}. Let's see whether I understand it. {le cilre cu xamgu} - learning is good {le cilre xamgu} - (a tanru I cannot translate) {lenu mi cilre cu xamgu} - the event of my learning is good {lenu mi cilre xamgu} - the event of my doing (tanru) {lenu mi cilre zo'e cu xamgu} - the event of my learning something is good In the last sentence I need {cu} because {lenu zo'e (selbri) zo'e ...} is always another selbri. But this selbri doesn't have x1, x2, ... like gismus. (?) mu'o mi'e .iens. (Is {ki'e mu'o mi'e .iens.} something like {Thanks, ...}?)