From Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Wed Feb 12 07:09:11 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from spree.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iyVZ-0007pw-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:09:09 -0800 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17473 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:08:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17469 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:08:32 +0100 (MET) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:08:01 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Gismu creation Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:08:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 98 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi .iens. du cusku di'e > Does anybody know where you can find a complete list of gimus > together (!) with the source words from Chinese, English, ... > and their scorings? Have a look at http://www.lojban.org/publications/etymology.html . Specifically, http://www.lojban.org/files/etymology/finprims is the base data file, apparently. This gives the source words (in mangled form and in Lojban spelling) as well as their scores. > By the way why are words like {pa}, {nu}, {se} listed as gismu? I > thought a gismu has always the form CVCCV or CCVCV. They're on the gi'uste because they have rafsi. (You'll see, for example, that {da} is on there but not {de} or {di}, even though they are closely related -- because only {da} has a rafsi.) As I understand it, this was done mostly for the benefit of LogFlash, the flashcard Lojban learning program, so that the same file could be used to train gismu<->English and "gismu"<->rafsi. Only those of form CVCCV or CCVCV are gismu; the rest of the items in the gi'uste are cmavo which have rafsi assigned to them. mu'omi'e filip. -- filip.niutyn. All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.