From Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Wed Feb 12 07:17:09 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from spree.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18iydH-0008UW-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:17:07 -0800 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17799 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:16:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17795 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:16:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:16:04 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A problem with cu Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:16:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 99 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi .iens. du cusku di'e > {le cilre cu xamgu} - learning is good The learner is good. ("Learning is good" is probably something like {le nu cilre cu xamgu}.) > {le cilre xamgu} - (a tanru I cannot translate) Something like "the learn-ish-good-thing"? > {lenu mi cilre cu xamgu} - the event of my learning is good Yes > {lenu mi cilre xamgu} - the event of my doing (tanru) (Or perhaps "the event of my being (tanru)") > {lenu mi cilre zo'e cu xamgu} - the event of my learning something > is good > > In the last sentence I need {cu} because {lenu zo'e (selbri) > zo'e ...} is always another selbri. No -- {nu zo'e (selbri) zo'e} is a selbri. {le nu zo'e (selbri) zo'e} is a sumti (I think). {le nu mi cilre zo'e xamgu} parses as {le } -- ' the "event-of-my-learning-something-ish good thing" '. Or something like that. > But this selbri doesn't have x1, x2, ... like gismus. (?) Yes it does. Since the resulting selbri is a tanru (formed from "nu mi cilre zo'e" and "xamgu"), the positions (as I understand it) will be those of the final constituent selbri -- in this case, "xamgu". > (Is {ki'e mu'o mi'e .iens.} something like {Thanks, ...}?) I'd say so. mu'omi'e filip. -- filip.niutyn. All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.