From lojban@65536.org Tue Mar 04 10:30:33 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 10:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18qHBR-0005zS-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 10:30:33 -0800 Received: from [212.227.126.202] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18qHBP-0002Pj-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:30:31 +0100 Received: from [172.23.4.139] (helo=config12.kundenserver.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18qHBP-0007sO-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:30:31 +0100 Received: from www-data by config12.kundenserver.de with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18qHBK-0004bu-00 for ; Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:30:26 +0100 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Usage of {vi} From: lojban@65536.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-From: 5391625 Received: from 217.87.12.182 by webmail.puretec.de via HTTP X-Binford: 6100 (more power) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:30:26 +0100 X-archive-position: 202 X-Approved-By: lojban@65536.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: lojban@65536.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo la robin. cusku di'e > > But the usage of the {vi} troubles me. Does {vi} really > > take an object/action/person and it becomes "here where the > > object/person is" or "here where the action took place"? It sounds > > a little bit strange to say {vi lenu mi jbena} - "here at the > > event to me beeing born". > > That's *exactly* what vi as a sumtcita is used for, yes. But it only > orients you in space, not time, and it is somewhat vague. The jbofi'e > gloss for vi as a sumtcita is "near to". Thanks for your explanation. That is the first time I realize how powerful Lojban can be. ...(snip)... > > 6th chapter/Time with sumti, file less6sumtime.html, first > > Lojban sentence should be {la jan. cliva le barja ti'u la daucac.} > > The only difference appears to be the spelling of the name 'daucac', is > that correct? In which case, why do you feel the name was spelt > wrongly? {la daucac.} is a cmene for "10 o'clock" - {dau} + {cacra}. I forgot to mention that in the explanation for this sentence, it is 10 o'clock when Zhang leaves the bar, not "13 o'clock" - {la jaucac.} = {jau} + {cacra}. ...(snip)... > Please post a note at http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/lessons Done. I think this page is quite important for beginners who work trough "Lojban for Beginners". Is there a FAQ for this mailing list? I think this link should be added. mi'e .iens. mu'o