From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 05 12:33:55 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18qfaN-0003LP-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:33:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:33:55 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Usage of {vi} Message-ID: <20030305203355.GD8435@digitalkingdom.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 203 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 07:30:26PM +0100, lojban@65536.org wrote: > la robin. cusku di'e > > > But the usage of the {vi} troubles me. Does {vi} really take an > > > object/action/person and it becomes "here where the object/person > > > is" or "here where the action took place"? It sounds a little bit > > > strange to say {vi lenu mi jbena} - "here at the event to me > > > beeing born". > > > > That's *exactly* what vi as a sumtcita is used for, yes. But it > > only orients you in space, not time, and it is somewhat vague. The > > jbofi'e gloss for vi as a sumtcita is "near to". > > Thanks for your explanation. That is the first time I realize how > powerful Lojban can be. Excellent. > ...(snip)... > > > 6th chapter/Time with sumti, file less6sumtime.html, first > > > Lojban sentence should be {la jan. cliva le barja ti'u la daucac.} > > > > The only difference appears to be the spelling of the name 'daucac', is > > that correct? In which case, why do you feel the name was spelt > > wrongly? > > {la daucac.} is a cmene for "10 o'clock" - {dau} + {cacra}. > I forgot to mention that in the explanation for this sentence, it is > 10 o'clock when Zhang leaves the bar, not "13 o'clock" - {la jaucac.} = > {jau} + {cacra}. Aaaah. Yes, definately note that on the Wiki page. > ...(snip)... > > Please post a note at http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/lessons > > Done. I think this page is quite important for beginners who work > trough "Lojban for Beginners". Is there a FAQ for this mailing list? I > think this link should be added. Well, hopefully that page itself will cease to exist soon, as the lessons are being finished. And no, there is no FAQ for this list. If you would like to work on one, I'll find some place to put it. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi