From arj@nvg.org Mon Apr 21 08:45:27 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67] ident=[D6/P4H14jUD5GE0zC1jJAWF6fLNf3dii]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 197dTz-0003tQ-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:45:27 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no ([IPv6:::ffff:129.241.210.68]:7868 "EHLO hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no" ident: "[pqe4xxy/HEoG9XiynlrImdhWh3HAXmTZ]" whoson: "-unregistered-") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:45:15 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 17:45:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Arnt Richard Johansen X-X-Sender: arj@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: x2, x3 and x4 of tcadu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 223 X-Approved-By: arj@nvg.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners I am replying to a mailing list digest. Hope this doesn't break anything. On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Ecartis wrote: > I have a problem with {tcadu} - I don't understand the explanation > of its place structure. It might be due to fact, that my English > is not good enough. > > x1 is a town/city of metropolitan area x2, in political unit x3, > serving hinterland/region x4 > > {la berlin. tcadu} - Berlin is a city. No problem so far, but what > are x2, x3 and x4 here? Could you give an example? la berlin. tcadu la berlin. la berlin. la brandnburg. Not very enlightening, was it? That's because Berlin is both the name of a city, a "metropolitan area" including the city, and a Bundesland of it's own. Now, let's fill in the place structure of tcadu with Dortmund, a much more interesting example. la dortmund. tcadu la rur. la nortrain. vestfaln. la nortrain. vestfaln. The 4th place structure is the least easy and clear-cut to fill in, because the "area served by a city" rarely has a name of it own. I have approximated this by saying that the city serves the state it's in, but this is perhaps accurate only for state capitals. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ 7% unemployment is no problem, according to 93% of the population.