From fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com Wed Apr 23 14:36:54 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198RvC-0000n6-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:36:54 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3NLmDsr053905 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:48:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3/Submit) id h3NLmDpe053904 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:48:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:48:13 -0500 From: Jordan DeLong To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A Newbie's First Impressions Message-ID: <20030423214813.GA53838@allusion.net> References: <20030422183719.62722.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> <20030423063729.GA17388@swbell.net> <20030423161909.GA24088@adhockery.net> <3EA6F884.2090309@bluewin.ch> <20030423203818.GD28930@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030423203818.GD28930@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 248 X-Approved-By: fracture@allusion.net X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 01:38:18PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:33:08PM +0200, G Dyke wrote: > > Chris Evans wrote, concerning {x}: > >=20 > > >Techinically, it's a "voiced k". But, > > > > > >=20 > > > > > Whatever it is, it certainly isn't voiced. If you compare these > > sequences: > >=20 > > poo pfoo foo > > tart chart shark > > k kx x > >=20 > > x bears the same relation to k as f does to p. It is an unvoiced > > (wherever k is pronounced) fricative. >=20 > In lojban, it's probably perfectly legal to voice it (there's > nothing else similar). CLL doesn't allow it, it has to be unvoiced. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+pwodDrrilS51AZ8RAp9KAJ4n6RmlSPRhwf9guA1XJYio/SaoXgCgzRN/ EOl7/ymnRYhxZcSNN1KfmSE= =qfi8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb--