From gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Sat May 03 11:45:50 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 03 May 2003 11:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.bluewin.ch ([195.186.4.73]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19C218-0002RJ-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 03 May 2003 11:45:50 -0700 Received: from bluewin.ch (213.3.152.202) by mail2.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.7.016) id 3E674A7B00613069 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 3 May 2003 18:45:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3EB40DEF.3060906@bluewin.ch> Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 20:43:59 +0200 From: G Dyke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi tadni la lojban References: <1051407312.9517@mailserver120.sectorlink.com> <1051453449.1582@mailserver120.sectorlink.com> <1051496765.20227@mailserver120.sectorlink.com> <3EB38818.5040106@bluewin.ch> <20030503024002.0054ec3a.rizen@surreality.us> <3EB3FABE.2010101@bluewin.ch> <20030503174440.GA49390@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030503174440.GA49390@allusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 292 X-Approved-By: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Jordan DeLong wrote: >On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 07:22:06PM +0200, G Dyke wrote: > > >>Theodore Reed (bancus) wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 03 May 2003 11:12:56 +0200 >>>G Dyke wrote: >>> >>> >>>>at the time, but couldn't remember how to say "sound". I also didn't >>>>phrase the whole thing too well. I was actually remarking that both >>>>{brus} and {bris} bear little ressemblence to the English >>>>pronunciation of the name. >>>> >>>> >>>Well, here in le mergu'e, we pronounce Bruce like lojban brus. >>> >>> >>You should know, but I can't help feeling that you don't. The english is >>pronounced as a rounded schwa, while in lojban, we can only have a >>rounded back or unrounded front or mid. I'd expect the same >>pronunciation in america and a rounded front vowel from an Awstrailian. >> >> > >Where I'm from (Southwest mergu'e), the u in bruce is pronounced >just like the oo in food. (lojban u; brus.). > > Which is, as I've said, a rounded schwa. (At least, I know some people in the northeast and a couple guys from california, who's oo in food is definately not the u in {sutra})