From tk1@despammed.com Mon May 05 10:51:47 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 May 2003 10:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bb-203-125-32-4.singnet.com.sg ([203.125.32.4] helo=localhost) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Ck7u-0001Xh-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 10:51:46 -0700 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3738522905; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:53:22 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 01:53:22 +0800 From: tk1@despammed.com To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi lojban. Message-ID: <20030505175322.GA1309@panda.localdomain> References: <200305020753.h427rs624168@mail.cjb.net> <20030502165610.GG6079@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030502165610.GG6079@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-archive-position: 297 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: tk1@despammed.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hello, > The word formation rules are about the only *syntactic* rules Lojban > has. > http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter4.html Thanks. I am currently flipping through the reference grammar, and I just got another question: in Chapter 6 this example is given: 13.3) ro da poi prenu cu prami pa de poi finpe All somethings-1 which-are persons love one something-2 which-is a-fish. All persons love a fish (each his/her own). (This is not the same as "All persons love a certain fish"; the difference between the two is one of quantifier order.) If I change the above Lojban sentence to {pa de poi finpe cu se prami ro da poi prenu}, will the new sentence take on the first or second meaning? In other words, can the use of the word {se} potentially _change_ the meaning of a sentence, in addition to switching sumti order? Thanks, -- GPG:f75949318a026c5707ff188b438cca87faf73a82 http://angelfire.com/folk/sm0p/ GCS/MU d- s: a- C++() UL P++(+++) L++(+++) E- W++ N(+) o K? w--- O? M? V? PS(+) PE Y+ PGP+ t? 5? X- R- tv-() b+ DI(+) D+ G e++ h-- !r>+++ !y