From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Tue May 27 14:26:58 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 27 May 2003 14:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19KlyD-0005WS-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 27 May 2003 14:26:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF67D31F01 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 00:26:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp103.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.103]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED6331EB6 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 00:26:22 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3ED3F56C.2030907@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:31:56 +0100 From: Robin Turner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to say "good bye" References: <200305272044.h4RKiRxx009134@star2.baremetal.com> In-Reply-To: <200305272044.h4RKiRxx009134@star2.baremetal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 337 X-Approved-By: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners qbradley wrote: >>--- Joe wrote: >> >>>I'd choose "c", as it's the closest consonant in >>>articulation to >>>"i"...bradlic. >> >>Wouldn't that be pronounced "Bradleash"? > > > Actually, more like "broad" - "leash" > > Realizing that the "a" sound in my name is not pronouncable in lojban, I've settled for: > > bradlif > > which sounds like "broad" - "leaf" > > because it sounds nice :-) > It does, and bilingual punning is a feature of lobykulnu. I'm not sure if Lojban "a" is much like the "oa" of "broad", but that depends on how you say "broad". Mu "broad" would come out something like "broyd". I was once surprised when someone suggested that the best way to lojbanise my name was "rabn.", until I realised the difference between US and UK pronuciation (I stick with "robin.", even though that comes out more like "row-bin"). If I were desgning the ulitimate conlang (something like Marain in Iain Banks' novels) then I'd have every shade of vowel and a range of aspirated consonants (as in Sanskrit). Unfortunately, practical considerations get in the way - Lojban is hard enough from a grammatical/perceptual point of view, without introducing a complex phonology. This eans, unfortunately, that cmene will always involve a degree of compromise (zo'o except for Italians). robin.tr (and that's not a cmene, BTW, though I suppose it could be if it had an extra dot at the end) -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin