From noras@cox.net Thu Jul 17 15:04:27 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net ([68.1.17.244]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dGrS-0004h1-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:04:27 -0700 Received: from nora.cox.net ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030717220355.PFZE7142.lakemtao01.cox.net@nora.cox.net> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:03:55 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030717180543.030ad030@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: noras@pop.east.cox.net Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:07:43 -0400 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Nora LeChevalier Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Some questions In-Reply-To: <20030716233446.59270.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030716222752.GB4093@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 408 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: noras@cox.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners At 04:34 PM 7/16/03 -0700, la xorxes wrote: >--- Rob Speer wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:19:28PM +0200, Yuval Harel wrote: > > > 1) I've noticed people are signing their posts with signatures such as > > > "mu'o mi'e iuv?l". Does that not defy the meaning of {mu'o}? If > > > attitudinals are allowed to be attached to {mu'o} it no longer marks the > > > end of the utterance. When used in speech, it seems that the listener > must > > > infer where the attached attitudinal list ends from context. > > > > An interesting point - perhaps it should be "mi'e rab.spir mu'o". But I > > think that, as non-computers, we understand that someone saying "mu'o" > > at least gets to finish the sentence. > >{mu'o} is a COI, not a UI. You don't have a complete parse until you hear >a name or a {do'u} after it. It doesn't by itself mark the end of an >utterance. The construction that it heads marks the end of the utterance. >A different issue is whether it makes sense for {mu'o} to be a COI or >whether it would be better placed in UI, given its function. > >mu'o mi'e xorxes I opine that it should remain a COI. If you are, say, a dispatcher talking to multiple people, you may need to indicate after the mu'o just who is being mu'o-ed (others may be being be'e-ed or something). -- mi'e noras noras@cox.net Nora LeChevalier