From ScottW@datair.com Thu Feb 26 06:32:13 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.datair.com ([209.119.40.20] helo=temp.datair.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AwMYf-0005nE-8v for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:32:13 -0800 Received: by mail.datair.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1WQ3FK6V>; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:31:39 -0600 Message-ID: From: Scott Weller To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: precise definition of cmene Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:31:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 526 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: ScottW@datair.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Melissa aksed: > Could I even say > > la dinas. mixre la labrydor.rytrivyr. Well, no, actually, you can't say that. One of the finer rules of cmene constuction says that a cmene cannot contain (among a few other things) the element 'la'. If we allowed 'la labrydor.rytrivyr' there would be ambiguity as to whether that might really be 'la la brydor.rytrivyr' (whatever that might mean). So you would have to say: la dinas. mixre la lybrydor.rytriver. or perhaps even: la dinas. mixre la lebrydor.rytriver or, indeed, just about anything that doesn't start with 'la'. Regards, Scott Weller