From musicdreamer@tmail.com Fri Feb 27 13:51:41 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta.prod1.dngr.net ([63.241.65.15] helo=mfe2.prod.danger.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AwptV-00059X-EQ for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:51:41 -0800 Received: from [10.12.5.251] (HELO localhost.localdomain) by mfe2.prod.danger.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP id 76906923 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:51:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:51:05 -0600 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040227214224.GF15105@miranda.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <1077917225.37F4121F@s5.dngr.org> <20040227214224.GF15105@miranda.org> From: Daniel E Huston Message-Id: <1077918670.29EB45FB@s29.dngr.org> X-archive-position: 538 X-Approved-By: musicdreamer@tmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: musicdreamer@tmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 3:47pm, jkominek@miranda.org wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 03:26:59PM -0600, Daniel E Huston wrote: >> Although Lojban allows one to phrase statements independent of >> context-- >> so far-- as a stage magician I would still use context. In fact, >> that's >> a key part of how I would do illusions. The human brain perceives >> context as well as detail. That's what makes the illusionist's art >> possible. I would argue that even though Lojban may be context-free (& >> I'm not convinced that it is), Lojban speakers are not! > > Er, the rules of the syntax are (a close approximation of) > context-free, > in a strict computer theoretic way. That is the only sense in which it > is context-free. You're quite right, to understand the meaning of > utterances, you need context. Thanks, Jay, for the clarification there. I thought that might be the case. > > -- > Jay Kominek > They may be the laws of physics, > but I still don't trust them. Daniel E Huston musicdreamer@tmail.com (651)329-6608 "It is the character that makes the man... not the clay which is its abode." --Edgar Rice Burroughs