From windharp@stormloader.com Sat Mar 06 20:26:27 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sitemail3.everyone.net ([216.200.145.37] helo=omta08.mta.everyone.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Azprv-0005J0-SI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:26:27 -0800 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigip1-snat [216.200.145.29]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD99413A3 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id CDEC9725B; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:26:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:26:23 -0800 (PST) From: Heather Grove To: lojban-beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] short question X-Originating-Ip: [66.241.93.15] X-Eon-Sig: AQECuVxASqRvAAyfhQEAAAAB,ae3abe2b43922b543ebcc17aea2b26d2 Message-Id: <20040307042623.CDEC9725B@sitemail.everyone.net> X-archive-position: 566 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: windharp@stormloader.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo I'm really very new both to the list and to learning lojban, so please forgive if this has been covered already. This sounds a bit like nit-picking, I suppose, and I really don't mean it that way. I'm honestly confused: I was poking through the dictionary material, thinking that I would look up some vocabulary that I use fairly often in my daily English, and I ran across something that made me frown a bit: the definition of {pipno} includes musical instruments piano/harpsichord/synthesizer/organ. Given that {jgita} is for stringed instruments (piano and harpsichord are strings, one hammered and one plucked) and {flani} is for edge blown pipes/flutes (organs are edge blown pipes), I'm unable to choose which words to use. Does {pipno} refer specifically to the keyboard mechanism used to play the music rather than the family to which the instrument belongs? {jgita} and {flani} seem to focus on the method-of-sound-production aspect. Reed instruments are split up oddly, too: {xagri} takes a very broad approach by lumping together single-reed (saxophone, clarinet) and double-reed (oboe, bassoon, bagpipes), while the lip-reeds get {tabra} all to themselves. While it is nice to have two separate ways to name an instrument, it seems that the existance of {pipno} is a bit redundant here. Am I missing something? Is there another somewhat redundant word which refers to the method of fingering wind/brass instruments? If {pipno} does refer to the keyboard part and {xagri} refers to the method of sound production, how should I best translate 'accordion'? I know, I'm crazy. No one else much cares what you call it, so long as the instrument is in tune. So I'll advance a 'thank you' to anyone who is even half as crazy as I am and is willing to shed some light on this for me (or even point me to the correct part of the dictionary!). co'o xeket. _____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss products, Herbal Viagra, and much more!http://www.VitaDepot.com