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On 8 Mar 2004 at 3:01, der Mouse wrote:

> This leads to {le zunle kanla pe le pixra be la lupin. be'o damba co
> fapro mi}, where I think the {be'o} can be omitted, but I'm not sure. 

That's not enough - it closes the {be la lupin.}, but the {damba} that 
follows attaches to the {pixra}, so you have a tanru meaning roughly 
"pictureish [depicting Lupin] fighter of-type opposer" followed by a 
lone sumti {mi}.

The easiest way to get around this is {cu}, which is pretty strong in 
closing stuff in front of it: {le zunle kanla pe le pixra be la lupyn. 
cu damba co fapro mi}.

Alternatively, you could use either {ku} (to close the {le pixra ...} 
sumti) or {ge'u} (to close the {pe le pixra ...} clause) in place of 
{cu}. In either case, be'o is unnecessary, though you can include it in 
front of the {ku}, {ge'u}, or {cu} if you like.

(One of these three is the  minimum necessary cmavo to close the 
phrase. If you're interested, the fully verbose version is {le zunle 
kanla pe le pixra be la lupyn. be'o ku ge'u ku cu damba co fapro mi 
vau}. So you could also use {be'o kuku} if you liked, or {ge'u cu}, but 
you need at least one of {ku}, {ge'u}, and {cu} in that sentence.)

mu'o mi'e .filip.
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