From jim@gonzul.net Tue Mar 30 15:16:08 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cat.ourshack.com ([212.74.28.153] ident=exim) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.30) id 1B8SSl-0000sN-SW for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:16:08 -0800 Received: from localhost.ourshack.com ([127.0.0.1] helo=taoyingssl.local ident=jim) by cat.ourshack.com with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.24) id 1B8SSh-0001ih-Fg for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:16:04 +0100 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban qua lingua franca From: djim. To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: <20040330225432.76783.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040330225432.76783.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1080688557.3550.12.camel@taoying> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:15:57 +1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://jim.gonzul.org/emailimg/jim@gonzul.net X-Subliminal-Message: Everything I tell you is false X-archive-position: 632 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: djim@gonzul.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 10:54, Jorge LlambXas wrote: > --- Andrew Archibald wrote: > > > {le makfioga vofli} would be the most direct translation, assuming > > > {makfioga} is the right word for what you want. (Is yoga magic?) > > > > Well, it seems that yogic flyers fly using the power of yoga; they're > > not merely vaguely associated with yoga. Insamuch as I know anything about "yogic flying", it's not really "flying" in the normal sense of the word, it's more of an enhanced hopping-while-sitting sort of movement. There are internal mental state flying/freedom associations, but although complete physical free flying is claimed, no demonstrations exist. So "flying" as in "three-dimensional movement through the air" isn't what they intend. Flying as in "potentially unfettered movement" might be closer? http://www.alltm.org/YFlying.html > The physical manifestations of the "Yogic Flying" vary with the practitioner. The Yoga Sutras of Mahrishi Patanjali describes three stages of immediately visible results. Stage One is generally associated with what would best be described as "hopping like a frog." Stage Two is flying through the air for a short time. Stage Three is complete mastery of the sky. The above photo and all "Yogic Flying" demonstrations to date depict Stage One results. -jim