From thgarris@nc.rr.com Mon Jul 12 17:24:39 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.100] helo=ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BkB66-00016p-In for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:24:38 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (rdu26-75-222.nc.rr.com [66.26.75.222]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i6D0OZPf009174 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40F32C10.5010706@nc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:25:52 -0400 From: Travis Garris User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Articles to Refer to Words Themselves References: <20040331025859.M31434@fresco.Math.McGill.CA> <20040331192943.GO16966@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20040331192943.GO16966@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-archive-position: 647 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: thgarris@nc.rr.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners I'm baffled as to which articles, or abstractions, I would use to specify a word itself, and not its meaning. For example, "Bye is a short form of goodbye." The example I was using at the time was {vol rafsi volfi}. That starts to look like a tanru, so I tried to put something in to break up rafsi and volfi. Only think I could come up with is {vol rafsi zo volfi}. That borrows from (now optional) English grammar rules. I'm sure it gets the point across, but I'm sure there is a better way to do it. Ideas? Travis Garris Durham, NC, US