From jexOm@free.fr Wed Jul 14 12:49:46 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.27] helo=mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BkplB-0004tp-R0 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:49:46 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (APuteaux-151-1-15-220.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.120.189.220]) by mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B83F75000503 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:49:13 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040714190529.GI20885@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20040331025859.M31434@fresco.Math.McGill.CA> <20040331192943.GO16966@digitalkingdom.org> <40F32C10.5010706@nc.rr.com> <20040714190529.GI20885@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: jexOm. Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Articles to Refer to Words Themselves Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:49:10 +0200 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-archive-position: 652 X-Approved-By: jexOm@free.fr X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jexOm@free.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Le 14 juil. 04, =E0 21:05, Robin Lee Powell a =E9crit : > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:29:09PM +0200, jexOm. wrote: >> coi travis .i mi'e jexOm. >> >> Le 13 juil. 04, ? 02:25, Travis Garris a ?crit : >> >>> I'm baffled as to which articles, or abstractions, I would use to >>> specify a word itself, and not its meaning. For example, "Bye is a >>> short form of goodbye." The example I was using at the time was = {vol >>> rafsi volfi}. That starts to look like a tanru, so I tried to put >>> something in to break up rafsi and volfi. Only think I could come = up >>> with is {vol rafsi zo volfi}. That borrows from (now optional) >>> English grammar rules. I'm sure it gets the point across, but I'm >>> sure there is a better way to do it. >> >> As for your first try, istead of {vol rafsi volfi}, it should be {vol >> cu rafsi vofli}. {cu} indicates when the selbri starts. But, you need >> to use a quotation in order to tell that you are speaking of the >> words. So, it would give: {zo vol cu rafsi zo vofli}. > > Correct except that rafsi are not, in general, valid Lojban words. In > this case it can be treated as a cmene, but in general one must use=20 > zoi. The CLL (chapter 19) says that for {zo}, "The word must be=20 morphologically legal", don't know what it means exactely. According to what you said, the correct bridi would be: {zoi ly. vol=20 .ly. cu rafsi zo vofli}. J=E9r=F4me.