From jim@gonzul.net Thu Aug 19 01:03:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cat.ourshack.com ([212.74.28.153] ident=exim) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Bxht7-0002xg-1z for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:03:10 -0700 Received: from port-203-99-31-160.jet.net.nz ([203.99.31.160] helo=[10.0.61.1]) by cat.ourshack.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.24) id 1Bxht4-000Ig1-L7 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:03:07 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20040819072528.GC5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20040818231250.GA13226@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040819061942.58659.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> <20040819072528.GC5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90431AF6-F1B6-11D8-AB23-000393D7C842@gonzul.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://jim.gonzul.org/emailimg/jim@gonzul.net From: Jim Cheetham Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Anyone there? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:05:41 +1200 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-archive-position: 699 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jim@gonzul.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Aug 19, 2004, at 7:25 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 04:19:42PM +1000, Tristan Mc Leay wrote: >> Why is it that [I] isn't an allophone of /i/? For most people in the >> world, they're close enough that it's hard to distinguish anyway... >> (I'm a native English speaker, and out of context, I find hearing [i] >> vs [I] difficult; [I] is many times easier for me to produce than [i] >> though.) > > /me blinks. > > You find the "i" in "bit" hard to distinguish from the "ee" in "beet"? > > That's just bizarre to me. What dialect? I'm pure American English. > That would fit with a New Zealand accent - beer, bear and bare all sound the same over here. Takes a little getting used to ... I almost started insisting my name was "Jem" just to get the [i] sound the way I was used to! .djim