From mouse@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Thu Aug 19 13:38:51 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparkle.rodents.montreal.qc.ca ([216.46.5.7] ident=bB5HFA60DNafZdc9GOpTgrthUbxercXUCDpumpYPPwt) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BxtgQ-0002oB-PX for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:38:51 -0700 Received: (from mouse@localhost) by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03370; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:38:48 -0400 (EDT) From: der Mouse Message-Id: <200408192038.QAA03370@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Erik-Conspiracy: There is no Conspiracy - and if there were I wouldn't be part of it anyway. Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:29:10 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Anyone there? In-Reply-To: <20040819081302.7510.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040819081302.7510.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA id QAA03370 X-archive-position: 708 X-Approved-By: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners > But the 'ee' in 'beet' is a diphthong IMD _That_ is weird to _me_. :-) (As I say them, "beet" and "beat" sound identical, and the vowel is not diphthongal at all. I'm not sure how to unambiguously describe it, lacking both IPA and the knowledge to use it correctly; it's the same vowel I'd use for most "-ee" endings, such as "thee" and "tree" and "free" and "agree" - or "bee", or even "be". Or "Sidhe", for that matter, though that may just confuse people.) The vowel I have trouble with is the Norwegian "y". I still haven't quite figured out what it represents. ("Æ" used to give me trouble too, until I found out it's the vowel that begins English words like "acid" and "abbey"; I have trouble _using_ it, but now at least I know what it's supposed to be. I still have to struggle with my tendency to conflate it with "a" - malglico at work in a non-lojban context....) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B