From adam@pubcrawler.org Thu Aug 19 14:17:52 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postal.seas.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.102]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BxuIB-0003vj-Vz for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:17:52 -0700 Received: from clarion.cec.wustl.edu (clarion.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.3]) by postal.seas.wustl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7JLGgu26123 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:16:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by clarion.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id i7JLHmqT005588 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:17:48 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clarion.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:17:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Anyone there?Z In-Reply-To: <200408192038.QAA03370@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> Message-ID: References: <20040819081302.7510.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> <200408192038.QAA03370@Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Status: No, -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Report: -4.2/5.0 ---- Start SpamAssassin results -4.20 points, 5 required; * 0.0 -- Message-Id indicates a non-spam MUA (Pine) * -0.0 -- Has a valid-looking References header * -0.4 -- Has a X-Authentication-Warning header * -0.4 -- Has a In-Reply-To header * -0.5 -- BODY: Contains what looks like an email attribution * 0.1 -- BODY: Odd Letter Triples with OJ * -2.6 -- BODY: Bayesian classifier says spam probability is 20 to 30% [score: 0.2665] * -0.4 -- BODY: Contains what looks like a quoted email text * 0.0 -- Reply with quoted text ---- End of SpamAssassin results X-archive-position: 713 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, der Mouse wrote: > > But the 'ee' in 'beet' is a diphthong IMD > > _That_ is weird to _me_. :-) (As I say them, "beet" and "beat" sound > identical, and the vowel is not diphthongal at all. I'm not sure how > to unambiguously describe it, lacking both IPA and the knowledge to use > it correctly; it's the same vowel I'd use for most "-ee" endings, such > as "thee" and "tree" and "free" and "agree" - or "bee", or even "be". > Or "Sidhe", for that matter, though that may just confuse people.) > > The vowel I have trouble with is the Norwegian "y". I still haven't > quite figured out what it represents. ("Æ" used to give me trouble > too, until I found out it's the vowel that begins English words like > "acid" and "abbey"; I have trouble _using_ it, but now at least I know > what it's supposed to be. I still have to struggle with my tendency to > conflate it with "a" - malglico at work in a non-lojban context....) And *that* is the sound I miss having in Lojban, no doubt partly thanks to my own name. -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw