From KSchmir@online.de Tue Sep 21 02:22:13 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C9gqi-00051r-Qq for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:22:13 -0700 Received: from [212.227.126.209] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9gqd-0005SI-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:22:07 +0200 Received: from [80.131.81.252] (helo=online.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1C9gqd-0005jT-00 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:22:07 +0200 Message-ID: <414FF1B2.80107@online.de> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:17:38 +0200 From: klaus schmirler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] hairballs was : gismu abbreviations? References: <000401c49f42$110a92a0$fc4d883e@crh37> <26DB8E52-0BA3-11D9-AD2A-0050E460D30D@student.adelaide.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <26DB8E52-0BA3-11D9-AD2A-0050E460D30D@student.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:5e2e22a5d422cd51ce0171a884c92cf6 X-archive-position: 790 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: KSchmir@online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners J. Chittleborough wrote: > Hmmm... would we be able to get away with an IPA [C] instead of the IPA > [x] for a lojban "x"? To my rather ham-fisted understanding of such > things, the former is pretty close to a unvoiced English "y" or the [hj] > sound in "huge", so it's easier on those of us who didn't learn to cough > up hairballs during childhood. ;o) I guess it would be acceptable. At least I would do so without thinking in the vicinity of front vowels, because it's the easiest way (I'm German, trust me on this; I've been doing it all my life): you alternate between [C] as in huge (mind the [ju] sound which effectively makes it [Ci]) and [X] as in "ugh". If [C] is not permissible (after all I didn't see it documented anywhere): The hairball feeling goes away if you grind your teeth at the same time :O). Seriously, it isn't necessary to open your jaws. One movement less, and it all flows natchully, don't it? mu'o mi'e .klaus.cmiyly.