From johnatl@mac.com Tue Sep 28 10:23:27 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CCLhF-0006ZO-Am for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:23:26 -0700 Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i8SHNM9C000200 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com (user-11fai9v.dsl.mindspring.com [66.245.73.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id i8SHNJmc029371 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:22:34 -0400 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban] mabla notci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: John Johnson To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-archive-position: 797 X-Approved-By: johnatl@mac.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: johnatl@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Thanks! I was getting a major brain cramp. Thanks again. Regards, JJ On Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004, at 12:19 US/Eastern, Adam D. Lopresto wrote: > ki'u ma lei mabla te vecnu cu ba'e ca vi te notci > > The reason you're having trouble reading it is that you're mistaking > the main > selbri. The main selbri is not {vecnu}, it appears after {cu}, and in > this > case it is {te notci}. Elaborating a bit > > ki'u ma With what explanation/justification (why) > lei mabla te vecnu the butt-hole buyers (should be {le mabla vecnu}, > the > butt-hole sellers) This is the first sumti > cu about to come to the real brivla > ba'e ca *NOW* > vi here (used metaphorically, this mailing list) > te notci are the senders of message(s) > > So it amounts to "Why are the butt-hole [buyers, meant sellers] sending > messages here *now*?" > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, John Johnson wrote: > >> I'm a beginner and having a hard time making sense of this. >> >> ki'u ma lei mabla te vecnu cu ba'e ca vi te notci >> why derogatory (3rd) buyer /now/ here (3rd) message author >> >> This seems to translate to: >> why sold to butt-holes now a message authored by here >> >> The reference materials say that TE swaps the first and third places, >> so: >> >> vecnu >> x1 sells x2 to x3 for amount x4 >> >> te vecnu >> x3 is sold x2 by x1 for amount x4 >> >> from above: >> lei mabla is sold cu ba'e ca by vi for amount te notci >> butt-holes are sold now by here for amount the message author >> >> Can someone help me parse this, please? >> >> Thanks, >> JJ >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004, at 08:13 US/Eastern, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 09:34:31AM +1200, mikevdg@gulik.co.nz wrote: >>>> Quoting doug : >>>>> ki'u ma lei mabla te vecnu cu ba'eca vi te notci >>>> (because of reason) (what) (the mass described) (****ing!!) >>>> (3rd-person-sell) >>>> (very-during) (here) (3rd-person message). >>> "Why are the sellers *now* here writing?" >>> Using "lei" to gloss English plurals is somewhat bad usage, but >>> unfortunately common. >>>> Is he complaining about the spam? >>> It seems likely. >>> -Robin >>> -- >>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >>> Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" >> >> >> > > -- > Adam Lopresto > http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ > > Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. > > --Anonymous > >