From adam@pubcrawler.org Wed Oct 06 07:36:18 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.252.1.53] (helo=mite.int.cec.wustl.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1CFCts-0004Vo-OD for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:36:17 -0700 Received: from mite.int.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mite.int.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i96EaEdW000590; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:36:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by mite.int.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id i96EaEW6000587; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:36:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mite.int.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:36:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo can be selbri? In-Reply-To: <200410061402.i96E2VMY019310@mole.e-mol.com> Message-ID: References: <87r7ocvn9y.fsf@pacbell.net> <200410061402.i96E2VMY019310@mole.e-mol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-archive-position: 805 X-Approved-By: adam@pubcrawler.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Matt Arnold wrote: > I think you're using "la" incorrectly. It makes proper names, like > "the Empire State Building" or "Mario." What you want is "zo," which > indicates a one-word quote. So, "zo xu." However, "zo cmavo" in place > of "la cmavo" wouldn't work either. I'm not sure how to say that xu is > "part of the set, cmavo." Robin? > -Matt Well, if you really wanted to say "xu is a member of the set of cmavo" that would be {zo xu cmima lo'i cmavo}, but I think what you really want to say is "xu is a cmavo" which is very simply {zo xu cmavo}. > lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: >> Whee, don't know if anyone listens to this list, but definitely have a >> few questions. Here goes the first one... >> >> I know that gismu can be selbri... seen enough examples of that. But >> the definition for 'du' calls it both cmavo and selbri. Is this a >> valid question in lojban: >> >> xu la xu cu du la cmavo >> >> If that is true, then can 'xu' itself be used as a selbri? Or is it >> just that some cmavo cannot be used as selbri, since they don't define >> a predicate structure? Or perhaps in the 'xu' example, it would be >> the selbri for establishing a question regarding the sumti? >> >> I understand that cmavo itself is a cmavo-establishment selbri, so it >> would be better to ask instead >> >> xu zo'e cmavo la xu >> >> But I was curious as to whether the 'du' cmavo could be used as a selbri. >> > > _______________________________________________________ > Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com > > > > > -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ Just because they're all out to get you, doesn't mean you're not paranoid.