From mattarn@123.net Tue Nov 02 11:03:10 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1CP3vy-0005wR-0c for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:03:10 -0800 Received: from mail.123.net (new.e-mol.com [65.163.85.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id iA2J36IP019554 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:03:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:03:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200411021903.iA2J36IP019554@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Matt Arnold Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to say In-Reply-To: <20041102175602.GF2858@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <200410291647.i9TGlWIP009015@mole.e-mol.com> <20041029181154.55342.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> <200411021740.iA2HeDIP008690@mole.e-mol.com> <20041102175602.GF2858@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Priority: 3 X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 851 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: >On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 12:40:13PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: >> I want to say "Two months later I know 11% of the vocabulary" in >> Lojban. Is it: >> {.i ba'o la'e di'e roi re masti mi djuno lo valsi ji'e li nanacei} >> in-aftermath-of referent-of last-utterance quantified-tense 2 month I know word up-to-limit 11% >> Is {ba'o} what I want? It seems that I have used {masti} >> ungrammatically, but I don't know where to fit it. >Actually, the ungrammatical part is "roi". Umm, among other things. >"na na cei" is very far from what you want. >That's an *excellent* use of ji'e, though. >How about: > .i ba'o la'e di'e za lo masti be li re mi djuno lo valsi ji'e li > pa pa ce'i >Please note that that use of za is not standardized; we don't know >exactly what it means yet. >-Robin Thanks! As for {papace'i}... What a careless gaffe on my part. I really do know better. The same cannot be said for my understanding of complex tenses. I don't know how {la'e di'e} and {lo masti be li re} can be made to fit into the sentence. They appear to be sumti without a selbri. With {roi}, I was stabbing in the dark trying to use "two months" as a modifier of interval or distance for a tense (which is why I didn't include an article, which would turn it into a sumti). In your re-statement, does it serve as a modifier for {va}? - la epcat. _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com