From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue Nov 02 14:09:03 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41908.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.159]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CP6pq-0001Ij-KG for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:09:02 -0800 Message-ID: <20041102202149.32229.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:21:49 PST Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:21:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to say "Two months later" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: <20041102195016.GL2858@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 854 X-Approved-By: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > That makes perfect sense to me, although I would phrase it > differently: > > li pa pa ci'e cu jimte le se djuno be mi lo lojbo valsi 11% is a limit to the facts I know in the domain of lojban words? The things I know about them include, for example: - that they can be morphologically divided into cmavo, cmene, gismu, lujvo and fu'ivla - that they can be divided into selma'o according to their syntactic behavior. - that they can be unambiguously parsed from the speech stream - etc. What would it mean to say that those facts are limited by 11%? Even changing {lo se djuno} to {lo slabu}: li papace'i cu jimte lo slabu be mi lo lojbo valsi I would find it odd to call 11% a boundary. 11% is the total amount of words known, not a boundary between those words I know and the rest. 11% of the words constitute the whole extent of the words I know, not its boundary. Or just: lo slabu be mi cu klani li papace'i lo lojbo valsi The ones I know anount to 11% in terms of lojban words (If you insist on a scale instead of the units for the x3 of {klani}, change {lo lojbo valsi} to {lo se gradu be lo lojbo valsi}, "the scale that has lojban words as units".) > > But {papace'i lo valsi}, "11% of the words" is much more > > straightforward. > > Oh, ce'i is in PA. I thought it was in MOI. OK, so then {mi djuno > pa pa ce'i lo valsi} works. I would support redefining {djuno} so that that makes sense. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com