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From: Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Question around beginner's chapter 4
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--- robin.tr> wrote:
> Unless my knowledge of Lojban has plummetted further than I thought 
> since writing that chapter, 

Oops :)

> you don't want double articles here. {le ci 
> gerku} is "the three dogs", but {le ci} on its own means "the three" 
> (e.g. the holy trinity or the three rings of the elf lords), so with {le 
> ci le gerku} you have two sumti. 

Actually, it is just one sumti. {le ci} on its own is not a sumti.
"The three" would be {le ci da}. (Maybe you were thinking of {li ci},
the number three.)

{le ci le gerku} is "the three of the dogs": I have some dogs
(or things I call dogs) in mind, and out of them I have also
three in particular in mind. Not something one would use very
frequently, but possible.

The other combinations are also not much used, but possible.
{lo ci le gerku} is three of the dogs, but not necessarily
three specific ones that I have in mind.

{lo ci lo gerku} is just three dogs. Indistinguishable from
{lo ci gerku} if we don't require the inner quantifier to be
all the dogs that there are in the world.

{le ci lo gerku} is the three dogs I have in mind. 
Indistinguishable, from {le ci gerku} as far as I can tell.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



		
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